Box Dimensions?

[Charles Collins]

I have some preliminary (eyeballed) estimated dimensions of the boxes in the sniper’s nest:

Box #1 (seat box on floor): 17” W, 14” D, 13” H.

Box #2 (on floor below the window): 14” W, 11.5” D, 17” H.

Box #3 (on top of box #2): 13.625” W, 7.5” D, 9” H.

Box #4 (leaning on windowsill) 13.625” W, 9” D, 7.5” H.


If you know of any box dimensions which you believe are reasonably accurate estimates or measurements, please post them here. Thanks in advance.


Edit: here are some revised (estimated) dimensions:

Box “A” - (CE 641 and CE 1306): 13.75”w x 9”d x 8.25”h

Box “B” - (CE 653 and CE 1308): 13.75”w x 9”d x 8.25”h

Box “C” - (CE 654 and CE 1309): 18”w x 11.625”d x 13.75”h

Box “D” - (CE 648 and CE 1307): 18”w x 11.75”d x 13”h

[Charles Collins]

Thanks to the always helpful Mr. Stephen Fagin, curator for the Sixth Floor Museum, for directing me to the following helpful information:






https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1307.pdf







https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1308.pdf

[Charles Collins]

Box A ( Link ) Small box atop box C; one side has a gouge (CE 641)

Box B ( Link ) Small box that was resting on window sill (CE 653)

Box C ( Link ) Large box on-end on floor by window (CE 654)

Box D ( Link ) Large box upsidedown on floor by east wall (CE 648)

Warren Commission Hearings Vol. XVII ( Link ) Box B and C share the same page in the Hearings. The surface of Box A has the gouge on it, and is seen on top of Box C in this Crime Lab photo.



The WC Exhibits send by Stephen Fagin:



Box A (above left) and Box D (above right).



Box B (above left) and Box C (above right).

The National Archive has newer color photos online ( Link ).

Thanks Jerry, this is very helpful! I think I might be able to improve my original eyeball estimates and get much closer to the actual measurements.

[Richard Smith]

The boxes in the WC pictures all appear to have been opened.  My recollection is that they appear sealed when discovered on Nov. 22.  Is that correct?

[Charles Collins]

The boxes in the WC pictures all appear to have been opened.  My recollection is that they appear sealed when discovered on Nov. 22.  Is that correct?

Yes, I believe you are correct. It seems reasonable because I think that the contents of the boxes would have been considered irreverent irrelevant as evidence.

[Richard Smith]

Yes, I believe you are correct. It seems reasonable because I think that the contents of the boxes would have been considered irreverent as evidence.

True, but it undercuts the CTer explanation for his prints being on these boxes for a work-related purpose.  As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment.  He obviously hadn't filled any orders from an unopened box.  I wonder what they did with wooden blocks that were in these boxes?  Quite a collector's item.

[Charles Collins]

True, but it undercuts the CTer explanation for his prints being on these boxes for a work-related purpose.  As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment.  He obviously hadn't filled any orders from an unopened box.  I wonder what they did with wooden blocks that were in these boxes?  Quite a collector's item.

Also, there is the clipboard that was found on the sixth floor with several orders that, apparently, he should have been filling.

[John Iacoletti]

As an order filler, he wouldn't have any cause to be handling unopened boxes in the ordinary course of his employment. 

Right, because an order filler would never need to do something weird like move boxes to get to other boxes.

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