Sy Hersh: Biden ordered German pipeline sabotage

[Martin Weidmann]

No, he is just more stupid than I realized risking WWIII over Ukraine.  And a liar.

He's doing exactly the opposite, but as a die hard Putin lover you'll never understand that.

You have replaced reason with blind hate and it's pathetic. There is no bigger threat to America than people like you.

That is absolutely correct.  Some folks, however, just accept whatever they are told without exercising any independent analysis or common sense.  It's like suppressing the Wuhan lab story as a conspiracy theory.  What are the odds that COVID would start in the very city where a lab was located doing "research" on the virus and not be related?   But nothing to see there because Fauci said there was no evidence.  So what happens now?  The truth will eventually come out maybe years from now and it will be something along the lines of US providing the intelligence and means for the pipeline to be destroyed.  Most likely by some NATO country that agreed to conduct the operation so long as the US never reveals who pushed the button.  When the truth comes out, Biden and company will claim they never lied.  The US didn't do it.  The half truth they have applied to every lie.

exercising any independent analysis or common sense

What this really means is jumping to conclusions for which there is no evidence, as you always do!

But nothing to see there because Fauci said there was no evidence.

And he was right as there wasn't and still isn't any evidence. So one can only wonder on what you based that "independent analysis"..... Let me guess, Fox "news" (who have admitted fully to purposely lying about the election of 2020 being stolen) or even worse, nutjobs like Ben Shapiro....

The truth will eventually come out maybe years from now and it will be something along the lines of US providing the intelligence and means for the pipeline to be destroyed.  Most likely by some NATO country that agreed to conduct the operation so long as the US never reveals who pushed the button.  When the truth comes out, Biden and company will claim they never lied.  The US didn't do it.  The half truth they have applied to every lie.

Welcome to the world of International Politics.....

[Richard Smith]

He's doing exactly the opposite, but as a die hard Putin lover you'll never understand that.

You have replaced reason with blind hate and it's pathetic. There is no bigger to America that people like you.

exercising any independent analysis or common sense

What this really means is jumping to conclusions for which there is no evidence, as you always do!

But nothing to see there because Fauci said there was no evidence.

And he was right as there wasn't and still isn't any evidence. So one can only wonder on what you based that "independent analysis"..... Let me guess, Fox "news" (who have not admitted fully to purposely lying about the election of 2020 being stolen) or even worse, nutjobs like Ben Shapiro....

The truth will eventually come out maybe years from now and it will be something along the lines of US providing the intelligence and means for the pipeline to be destroyed.  Most likely by some NATO country that agreed to conduct the operation so long as the US never reveals who pushed the button.  When the truth comes out, Biden and company will claim they never lied.  The US didn't do it.  The half truth they have applied to every lie.

Welcome to the world of International Politics.....

You believe the Russians blew up their own pipeline?  LOL.  And you have evidence of this even though the US apparently does not?  You believe this even though Ukraine Joe told the press that he would "end" the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.  Russian then invaded Ukraine and the pipeline was destroyed.  What a coincidence.   Will you be here telling us that Old Joe never really denied destroying the pipeline after the truth comes out years from now?

[Martin Weidmann]

You believe the Russians blew up their own pipeline?  LOL.  And you have evidence of this even though the US apparently does not?  You believe this even though Ukraine Joe told the press that he would "end" the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.  Russian then invaded Ukraine and the pipeline was destroyed.  What a coincidence.   Will you be here telling us that Old Joe never really denied destroying the pipeline after the truth comes out years from now?

You believe the Russians blew up their own pipeline?  LOL. 

No... I believe that at this moment nobody knows who was behind it.

And you have evidence of this even though the US apparently does not?

Evidence of what?

You believe this even though Ukraine Joe told the press that he would "end" the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.

You really need to stop telling me what I believe, because you're not very good at it.

Will you be here telling us that Old Joe never really denied destroying the pipeline after the truth comes out years from now?

If the truth comes out years from now, how in the world can you know right now what the truth is? The answer is that you can't..... you're just making speeches and blowing smoke and hot air.

[Richard Smith]

You believe the Russians blew up their own pipeline?  LOL. 

No... I believe that at this moment nobody knows who was behind it.

And you have evidence of this even though the US apparently does not?

Evidence of what?

You believe this even though Ukraine Joe told the press that he would "end" the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.

You really need to stop telling me what I believe, because you're not very good at it.

Will you be here telling us that Old Joe never really denied destroying the pipeline after the truth comes out years from now?

If the truth comes out years from now, how in the world can you know right now what the truth is? The answer is that you can't..... you're just making speeches and blowing smoke and hot air.

You live in a blissful state of contrarian ignorance in which nothing can be known or provable.  What do we know?  The explanation for the Russians blowing up their own pipeline makes no sense.  Why?  If they wanted to stop sending gas to Europe, they could just shut it down.  They don't need to blow it up.  What else do we know?  Biden told the press that he would "end" this pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  And the pipeline was destroyed.  What logical inference can be drawn from that?  A coincidence?  What else do we know?  This would have been a sophisticated underseas operation conducted under the noses of US and NATO intelligence to blow up the pipeline.  What would be worse?  That the US has lacks intelligence to confirm who did this or that they do and are lying about it?  If they truly don't know who did this, that would be gross incompetence even by the low standards of Biden's administration. 

[Martin Weidmann]

You live in a blissful state of contrarian ignorance in which nothing can be known or provable.  What do we know?  The explanation for the Russians blowing up their own pipeline makes no sense.  Why?  If they wanted to stop sending gas to Europe, they could just shut it down.  They don't need to blow it up.  What else do we know?  Biden told the press that he would "end" this pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.  Russia invaded Ukraine.  And the pipeline was destroyed.  What logical inference can be drawn from that?  A coincidence?  What else do we know?  This would have been a sophisticated underseas operation conducted under the noses of US and NATO intelligence to blow up the pipeline.  What would be worse?  That the US has lacks intelligence to confirm who did this or that they do and are lying about it?  If they truly don't know who did this, that would be gross incompetence even by the low standards of Biden's administration.

I'm glad there is at least one person in the world who actually thinks he knows everything about everything and is convinced he's never wrong. 

With your amazing "talent" why don't you run for President and show us all what the truth really is, instead of speculating and constantly complaining about everybody and everything, Grumpy?

Btw, real life is very often stranger than fiction and in real life things are very often not as they seem at first sight. You do understand that, don't you?

[Joe Elliott]

The Russians didn't need to blow up their own pipeline to cut off the supply of oil to Germany.  Good grief.  That makes absolutely no sense.  They would just cut it off.  If there were any doubt, Biden himself confirmed that if Russia invaded Ukraine that the US would "end" the pipeline.  And do you think the US intelligence agencies would still have no evidence that the Russians did this?  That would be quite an operation to pull off at sea. 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM

But the Russians do need to blow up the pipeline, instead of just shutting off the gas, if their intentions were to:

a. Cut the Germans off of this supply of gas

and to:

b. Tell the Germans, and the rest of the world, "Watch out. Don't push us too far. We are capable of anything."

Why not blow up the pipeline and announce what Russia did?

Why have many mysterious deaths, like people considered not loyal to Putin falling out of high windows? Clearly intended to intimidate others. But not announce what Russia did?

Because sometimes its best if people know what Russia did, without an explicit confession.

[Jon Banks]

But the Russians do need to blow up the pipeline, instead of just shutting off the gas, if their intentions were to:

a. Cut the Germans off of this supply of gas

and to:

b. Tell the Germans, and the rest of the world, "Watch out. Don't push us too far. We are capable of anything."

Why not blow up the pipeline and announce what Russia did?

Why have many mysterious deaths, like people considered not loyal to Putin falling out of high windows? Clearly intended to intimidate others. But not announce what Russia did?

Because sometimes its best if people know what Russia did, without an explicit confession.

Most people have concluded at this point that it wasn't Russia. Including the investigators in Europe.

Maybe it wasn't the Biden administration either. There are no named suspects at this point.

But Russia and Germany are the victims here. They lost two pipelines that they spent years and billions of dollars to construct. So Russia and Germany are likely at the bottom of the list of possible suspects.

[Martin Weidmann]

Most people have concluded at this point that it wasn't Russia. Including the investigators in Europe.

Maybe it wasn't the Biden administration either. There are no named suspects at this point.

But Russia and Germany are the victims here. They lost two pipelines that they spent years and billions of dollars to construct. So Russia and Germany are likely at the bottom of the list of possible suspects.

Most people have concluded at this point that it wasn't Russia. Including the investigators in Europe.

The investigators in Europe have concluded nothing of the kind (yet). The investigation is still ongoing. In fact, in European media this isn't even a big story.

But Russia and Germany are the victims here. They lost two pipelines that they spent years and billions of dollars to construct. So Russia and Germany are likely at the bottom of the list of possible suspects.

That's a somewhat gullible conclusion. Germany spent years and massive amounts of money to rebuild the country after WWI only to destroy it all again in WWII. What's a bit of infrastructure anyway? It can all be rebuild, right?

Besides, Germany isn't a victim, because regardless of the pipelines (only one was in operation btw) being undamaged or not, Europe has agreed not to accept gas from Russia anyway as part of their embargo. All the EU countries are currently buying gas from other sources and the Russian economy suffers as a consequence. Russia isn't a victim either as they caused the crisis in the first place by invading Ukraine and thus should suffer the consequences.