Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Mitch Todd]

J. Edna Hoover said .....

"The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction"...

At the same time that Hoover was telling LBJ they could not get a conviction , The  DPD (Henry Wade)was telling the press that Lee Oswald was the assassin.

IIRC, Hoover was never a criminal prosecutor, so why would he be considered to be a good authority on convictability?

[Mitch Todd]

how come LBJ is asking about "the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September"

A very astute observation , Mr O'meara!    How did LBJ know about Lee Oswald, and Mexico City??

I'm amazed that otherwise "smart" people somehow don't realize that telephone, teletype, radio,
and television existed in 1963, and that information could be spread across immense distances
in the blink of an eye.

[Walt Cakebread]

I'm amazed that otherwise "smart" people somehow don't realize that telephone, teletype, radio,
and television existed in 1963, and that information could be spread across immense distances
in the blink of an eye.

Dear Mr Todd .... Can you tell me why LBJ would have any knowledge of ( or interest in)  an apparent  nobody and  a nut named Lee Oswald two months before the name Oswald became notorious. 

[Mitch Todd]

Dear Mr Todd .... Can you tell me why LBJ would have any knowledge of ( or interest in)  an apparent  nobody and  a nut named Lee Oswald two months before the name Oswald became notorious.

Who said that LBJ had any interest or knowledge of Oswald before the assassination? LBJ didn't. Not in the 11/23/63 Hoover call, at least.

[Walt Cakebread]

Who said that LBJ had any interest or knowledge of Oswald before the assassination? LBJ didn't. Not in the 11/23/63 Hoover call, at least.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Please post the PROOF that Hoover had told LB Johnson anything about LHO in Mexico City prior to this telephone conversation. 

[Mitch Todd]

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Please post the PROOF that Hoover had told LB Johnson anything about LHO in Mexico City prior to this telephone conversation. 

Once again, Walt gets caught out then tries to shift the burden as a way of covering up.

In reality, I never said that Hoover told LBJ anything one way or the other before the 11/23 call.

In reality, there is no reason to believe that Hoover was the only possible conduit for such information.

In reality, there is quite a paper trail showing that the CIA and FBI (at least) were burning up the wires by the evening of the 22nd regarding Oswald's MXC.

In reality, it should be no surprise that LBJ had already been told by someone that Oswald had been to Mexico City by the Hoover call on the 23rd.

In reality, that is. No telling where Walt's gone off to.

[Martin Weidmann]

Once again, Walt gets caught out then tries to shift the burden as a way of covering up.

In reality, I never said that Hoover told LBJ anything one way or the other before the 11/23 call.

In reality, there is no reason to believe that Hoover was the only possible conduit for such information.

In reality, there is quite a paper trail showing that the CIA and FBI (at least) were burning up the wires by the evening of the 22nd regarding Oswald's MXC.

In reality, it should be no surprise that LBJ had already been told by someone that Oswald had been to Mexico City by the Hoover call on the 23rd.

In reality, that is. No telling where Walt's gone off to.

In reality, there is no reason to believe that Hoover was the only possible conduit for such information.

Why?

In reality, it should be no surprise that LBJ had already been told by someone that Oswald had been to Mexico City by the Hoover call on the 23rd.

Why would that be no surprise? Oswald's (alleged) trip to Mexico was of no direct consequence for the "who killed Kennedy" question. So, why would "someone" bother the President with this information?

In reality, that is.

Actually, no. In your reality, that is.

[Walt Cakebread]

Once again, Walt gets caught out then tries to shift the burden as a way of covering up.

In reality, I never said that Hoover told LBJ anything one way or the other before the 11/23 call.

In reality, there is no reason to believe that Hoover was the only possible conduit for such information.

In reality, there is quite a paper trail showing that the CIA and FBI (at least) were burning up the wires by the evening of the 22nd regarding Oswald's MXC.

In reality, it should be no surprise that LBJ had already been told by someone that Oswald had been to Mexico City by the Hoover call on the 23rd.

In reality, that is. No telling where Walt's gone off to.

WHY would LBJ have any interest in a nut named Oswald walking around Mexico City in September of 63??