Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Walt Cakebread]

There is no evidence the man in the photo called himself Oswald. How would the CIA know what the man called himself to the Soviets? Only the people in the Embassy he met would know what he called himself.

And what did they say? The three KGB agents/Embassy officers who met the man who said he was Oswald said that man was the Oswald arrested for the assassination. One of them - Oleg Nechiporenko - said the man in the photo was a US Air Force officer who offered to sell secrets to the Soviets. He did not identify himself as Oswald.

 How would the CIA know what the man called himself to the Soviets?

You're exposing your ignorance...... The Americans had he Sovietsa lines tapped.....And they heard the man....I gues you in your ignorance never heard Hoover tell JFK that the man's voice was different....


Only the people in the Embassy he met would know what he called himself.

See above

Now back to the question......  Please present verification that LBJ was told about Lee Oswald in Mexico PRIOT to the telephone conversation with Hoover.

[John Iacoletti]

If the CIA were involved in framing Oswald for this crime and contrived a fake Oswald Mexico City visit for some inexplicable reason (i.e. it was not necessary to frame Oswald for the JFK assassination to have him travel to Mexico City months beforehand), then why would they then release a picture of someone who obviously isn't Oswald after the fact?  HA HA HA.  Why not have a crystal-clear picture of Ozzie posing at the entrance if the trip was faked by the CIA?  Whew.

The usual having it both ways argument. If the picture was of Oswald then Oswald was there. If the picture is not Oswald, well, conspirators would have made sure they had a picture of Oswald, therefore Oswald was there.

[Mitch Todd]

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Now back to the question......  Please present verification that LBJ was told about Lee Oswald in Mexico PRIOT to the telephone conversation with Hoover.

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"

Do you even know what you're arguing any more, Walt?

[Walt Cakebread]

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"

Do you even know what you're arguing any more, Walt?

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"


BINGO!!..... HOW did LBJ know about Mexico City?    And why would he raise the subject....By the time of the telephone call the decision had already been made to back away from trying to show that Lee was a Soviet agent....    LBJ was afraid of a nuclear war.....

[Mitch Todd]

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"

BINGO!!..... HOW did LBJ know about Mexico City?

Well, obviously someone told him about it. When LBJ first made it to the White House, he was given morning briefings by McGeorge Bundy and CIA director John McCone. This was before the Hoover call. McCone's briefing is the most likely source of LBJ's knowledge of Oswald in Mexico City.  The CIA had made the connection between Oswald and the MXC visitor the afternoon of the 22nd, so there was plenty of opportunity for LBJ to have found out the night of the 22nd or early on the 23d.

   And why would he raise the subject....By the time of the telephone call the decision had already been made to back away from trying to show that Lee was a Soviet agent....    LBJ was afraid of a nuclear war.....

Once he knew of the MXC visit, why would he not want to know of any further developments? Whether or not he feared a nuclear war, any Soviet involvement in JFK's assassination would still be an extremely serious matter.

[Richard Smith]

LBJ says it himself in the Hoover call: "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?"


BINGO!!..... HOW did LBJ know about Mexico City?    And why would he raise the subject....By the time of the telephone call the decision had already been made to back away from trying to show that Lee was a Soviet agent....    LBJ was afraid of a nuclear war.....

You believe that the JFK assassination was some type of pretext for war with Russia, but the conspirators didn't control LBJ whose decision it would have been or contemplate that he might not want a nuclear war?  Rendering this entire plot pointless.  LOL.  Instead, after going to the incredible risk of assassinating a president for this purpose, they immediately give up on it and reverse course entirely to take all blame off Russia and Cuba and put it on poor LHO.  Wow.  Narrative consistency is not a strong point for CTers.

[John Iacoletti]

Narrative consistency is not a strong point for CTers.

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Emerson

[Rick Plant]

J. Edgar Hoover: "The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong."

J. Edgar Hoover: "The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction..."

So, we have J. Edgar Hoover in his own voice and words admitting that the evidence and case against Lee Harvey Oswald is "not very strong" and "isn't strong enough" to get a conviction.
 
The evidence against Oswald should have been overwhelming if he was indeed the lone assassin, but here we have Hoover in a private moment admitting there is no strong evidence against Oswald to even convict him.