Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Martin Weidmann]

WHY would LBJ have any interest in a nut named Oswald walking around Mexico City in September of 63??

That's the question you will never get an answer to from Mr. Todd.... but, I predict, he will try to wear you down with all sorts of pathetic arguments, because this "hero in his own mind" truly believes that he can never be wrong about anything.

I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to argue now about my description of him.

[Mitch Todd]

In reality, there is no reason to believe that Hoover was the only possible conduit for such information.

Why?

Really? You had to ask? Since the LHO/MSC information was developed by the CIA, the CIA director John McCone would be an obvious alternate source.  Or maybe more of a back channel further down the hierarchy like Tolson -> Katzenbach -> Moyers -> LBJ.  The President of the US has a lot of direct reports, and that allows for a large number possible channels information to move through.

In reality, it should be no surprise that LBJ had already been told by someone that Oswald had been to Mexico City by the Hoover call on the 23rd.

Why would that be no surprise? Oswald's (alleged) trip to Mexico was of no direct consequence for the "who killed Kennedy" question. So, why would "someone" bother the President with this information?

The President of the US is assassinated at the height of the cold war. The guy picked up for the doin' the dastardly deed turns out to have been a former defector to the Soviet Union. A former defector who had appeared unexpectedly at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City a month or two before the murder. And you think that no one would think that the visit might just be worth notice? 

In reality, that is.

Actually, no. In your reality, that is.

My reality works just fine. Your's seems to need some work.

[Mitch Todd]

WHY would LBJ have any interest in a nut named Oswald walking around Mexico City in September of 63??

Walking around Mexico City and hanging out at the Cuban and Soviet Embassies. That's a pretty conspicuous thing to have done when you get fingered  as a presidential assassin a few weeks later.

[Martin Weidmann]

Really? You had to ask? Since the LHO/MSC information was developed by the CIA, the CIA director John McCone would be an obvious alternate source.  Or maybe more of a back channel further down the hierarchy like Tolson -> Katzenbach -> Moyers -> LBJ.  The President of the US has a lot of direct reports, and that allows for a large number possible channels information to move through.

The President of the US is assassinated at the height of the cold war. The guy picked up for the doin' the dastardly deed turns out to have been a former defector to the Soviet Union. A former defector who had appeared unexpectedly at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City a month or two before the murder. And you think that no one would think that the visit might just be worth notice? 

My reality works just fine. Your's seems to need some work.

Really? You had to ask?

Yes

Since the LHO/MSC information was developed by the CIA, the CIA director John McCone would be an obvious alternate source.

"Obvious" is a word used while speculating

Or maybe more of a back channel further down the hierarchy like Tolson -> Katzenbach -> Moyers -> LBJ.

Maybe? So, now you're speculating

The President of the US has a lot of direct reports, and that allows for a large number possible channels information to move through.

You just can't name one, right?

The President of the US is assassinated at the height of the cold war. The guy picked up for the doin' the dastardly deed turns out to have been a former defector to the Soviet Union.

Was he the only "defector" and, if not, why was he selected as the likely assassin over all the others?

A former defector who had appeared unexpectedly at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City a month or two before the murder.

Even if true, how would make him this the assassin of the President?

And you think that no one would think that the visit might just be worth notice?

No, I actually wonder why a visit to Mexico, some two months prior to the assassination, would be worth notice? And it seems you don't have an answer for it.

My reality works just fine.

Have you ever tried to convince a fool that he is a fool? Try it for once and see how you get on...

Walking around Mexico City and hanging out at the Cuban and Soviet Embassies. That's a pretty conspicuous thing to have done when you get fingered  as a presidential assassin a few weeks later.

Except, where is the credible conclusive proof that he actually did that?

All you seem to have is speculation.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walking around Mexico City and hanging out at the Cuban and Soviet Embassies. That's a pretty conspicuous thing to have done when you get fingered  as a presidential assassin a few weeks later.

Get your head out.... Do you actually believe that LBJ knew about LHO and Mexico City prior to talking to Hoover on 11/23/63??    If you believe that LBJ was following LHO's movements in September of 63...Then please explain WHY  LBJ would have been interested in LHO at that time?

[Walt Cakebread]

Walking around Mexico City and hanging out at the Cuban and Soviet Embassies. That's a pretty conspicuous thing to have done when you get fingered  as a presidential assassin a few weeks later.

Isn't 20 / 20 hindsight great? .....  Many unsolved crimes could be solved if only we could work in the manner that you suggest ....ie,  That the VIP (LBJ) would have any interest in a loony walking around Mexico City making a pest of himself..... 

[Mitch Todd]

Get your head out.... Do you actually believe that LBJ knew about LHO and Mexico City prior to talking to Hoover on 11/23/63??    If you believe that LBJ was following LHO's movements in September of 63...Then please explain WHY  LBJ would have been interested in LHO at that time?

I never claimed that LBJ knew in September about Oswald's Mexico City trip. That is the result of your own malfunction. I do say that there was plenty of opportunity for LBJ to have been informed of Oswald's Mexico City excursion between the time Oswald was arrested ~1:45 PM 11/22/63 and Hoover's call to LBJ the next day.

[Mitch Todd]

Isn't 20 / 20 hindsight great? .....  Many unsolved crimes could be solved if only we could work in the manner that you suggest ....ie,  That the VIP (LBJ) would have any interest in a loony walking around Mexico City making a pest of himself.....

Most criminal investigations are textbook exercises in 20/20 hindsight since, by necessity, they only begin after the crime has occurred.