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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #496 on: June 25, 2023, 03:57:56 AM »
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Says the man who casts dark aspersions towards any Law Enforcement Officer, Government Official, Forensic Expert or Honest Civilian, who even in the slightest way implicates your Demigod hero(Oswald) in the double murders that Oswald himself committed and you personally even go further and absurdly claim that due to "group think psyche" derived from some supernatural "grapevine" that Law Enforcement Officers and a Postal Inspector all lied in unison, Holy Heck Batman!


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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #497 on: June 25, 2023, 12:25:48 PM »
No John, Mitch and I make reasonable inferences based on the evidence whereas you and the CT horde make broad assumptions based on your own biased claims and beliefs.

Says the man who casts dark aspersions towards any Law Enforcement Officer, Government Official, Forensic Expert or Honest Civilian, who even in the slightest way implicates your Demigod hero(Oswald) in the double murders that Oswald himself committed and you personally even go further and absurdly claim that due to "group think psyche" derived from some supernatural "grapevine" that Law Enforcement Officers and a Postal Inspector all lied in unison, Holy Heck Batman!

JohnM

reasonable inferences

An inference is nothing more than an assumption. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so.

It merely exposes a massive superiority complex.

« Last Edit: June 25, 2023, 12:43:55 PM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #498 on: June 25, 2023, 01:16:47 PM »
reasonable inferences

An inference is nothing more than an assumption. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so.

It merely exposes a massive superiority complex.

Inference vs Assumption

"The main difference between assumption and inference is that we make assumptions without any evidence or facts, while we make inference based on facts and evidence."
https://pediaa.com/what-is-the-difference-between-assumption-and-inference/

"Inference can always be logically deduced from the given information. Assumption can never be logically deduced from the given information – it carries something new.'"
https://collegedunia.com/exams/gmat/inference-vs-assumption

"An inference can always be logically deducted from the given information   An assumption can never be logically deducted from the given information – It contains some new information"
https://e-gmat.com/blogs/inference-vs-assumption/

Inference vs Speculation

"What is often left  unaddressed is the difference between drawing inferences from the evidence  (which is permitted) and speculating based on the facts (which is not  permitted)."
https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/72055

"An inference is a logical deduction of fact. It is quite different from speculation, which lacks a logical foundation, and is no more than guesswork."
https://www.judicialcollege.vic.edu.au

"There is a legal distinction between speculation and drawing inferences from the circumstantial and direct evidence on the record. The trier of fact is permitted to do the latter, but not the former."
https://www.alexi.com/matters/issues/the-law-of-speculation-and-drawing-inferences-from-the-circumstantial-evidence

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« Last Edit: June 25, 2023, 02:47:12 PM by John Mytton »

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #499 on: June 25, 2023, 02:59:02 PM »
"What is often left  unaddressed is the difference between drawing inferences from the evidence  (which is permitted) and speculating based on the facts (which is not  permitted)."
https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/72055

"An inference is a logical deduction of fact. It is quite different from speculation, which lacks a logical foundation, and is no more than guesswork."
https://www.judicialcollege.vic.edu.au

"There is a legal distinction between speculation and drawing inferences from the circumstantial and direct evidence on the record. The trier of fact is permitted to do the latter, but not the former."
https://www.alexi.com/matters/issues/the-law-of-speculation-and-drawing-inferences-from-the-circumstantial-evidence

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"What is often left  unaddressed is the difference between drawing inferences from the evidence  (which is permitted) and speculating based on the facts (which is not  permitted)."
https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/72055

Actual quote:

"In a number of recent cases the courts have said that regulators should  base their conclusions on evidence rather than speculation. What is often left  unaddressed is the difference between drawing inferences from the evidence  (which is permitted) and speculating based on the facts (which is not  permitted). "

Quoting the opinion of Australian solicitors Erica Richler and Steinecke Maciura LeBlanc, who disagree with the court's opinion doesn't support your claim.

Once again you misrepresented the nature of the article.

I see you've added more links. I'm not going to go through them all, but this one I won't let pass by;


"The main difference between assumption and inference is that we make assumptions without any evidence or facts, while we make inference based on facts and evidence."
https://pediaa.com/what-is-the-difference-between-assumption-and-inference/


The website actually says;

"In logical reasoning, an assumption is an unstated link in the chain of evidence and conclusion. To find the assumption, you have to find the gap in an argument and filling it."

and

"An inference is a conclusion you draw depending on your observations. Making an inference means arriving at a conclusion after logically analyzing the available evidence and facts. "

So, now let's test this theory by applying it to a real case;

Oswald is seen carrying a large packet to work on Friday morning. Two witnesses see him carry that package. On of those says that he carried the package in the cup of his hand and under his armpit, making the package too small to conceal a broken down rifle. When that same witness was shown a paper bag found at the TSBD he denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry. There is no evidence that Oswald made the bag found at the TSBD or that he took it with him to Irving on Thursday evening. There is also no conclusive evidence that the rifle found at the TSBD was ever in Ruth Paine's garage.

Those are the facts, yet LNs, without a shred of evidence and with a total lack of facst, nevertheless claim Oswald carried the TSBD rifle in the bag and call it a "logical inference"  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bottom line: one man's "logical inference" is another man's "assumption"
« Last Edit: June 25, 2023, 04:03:00 PM by Martin Weidmann »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #500 on: June 25, 2023, 04:01:30 PM »
Actual quote:

"In a number of recent cases the courts have said that regulators should  base their conclusions on evidence rather than speculation. What is often left  unaddressed is the difference between drawing inferences from the evidence  (which is permitted) and speculating based on the facts (which is not  permitted). "

Quoting the opinion of Australian solicitors Erica Richler and Steinecke Maciura LeBlanc, who disagree with the court's opinion doesn't support your claim.

Once again you misrepresented the nature of the article.

I see you've added more links. I'm not going to go through them all, but this one I won't let pass by;

The website actually says;

"In logical reasoning, an assumption is an unstated link in the chain of evidence and conclusion. To find the assumption, you have to find the gap in an argument and filling it."

and

"An inference is a conclusion you draw depending on your observations. Making an inference means arriving at a conclusion after logically analyzing the available evidence and facts. "

So, now let's test this theory by applying it to a real case;

Oswald is seen carrying a large packet to work on Friday morning. Two witnesses see him carry that package. On of those says that he carried the package in the cup of his hand and under his armpit, making the package too small to conceal a broken down rifle. When that same witness was shown a paper bag found at the TSBD he denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry. There is no evidence that Oswald made the bag found at the TSBD or that he took it with him to Irving on Thursday evening. There is also no conclusive evidence that the rifle found at the TSBD was ever in Ruth Paine's garage.

Those are the facts, yet LNs, without a shred of evidence and with a total lack of facst, nevertheless claim Oswald carried the TSBD rifle in the bag and call it a "logical inference"  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Martin, all the words in the World won't help you, so I'll make this simple.

You said "An inference is nothing more than an assumption." and you were wrong.

JohnM

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
« Reply #501 on: June 25, 2023, 04:03:38 PM »
Martin, all the words in the World won't help you, so I'll make this simple.

You said "An inference is nothing more than an assumption." and you were wrong.

JohnM

Sure Johnny.... whatever you say, Johnny.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Who Killed J.D. Tippit?
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #503 on: June 25, 2023, 04:25:26 PM »


JohnM

Congratulations on making your most significant and interesting post so far this year. Well done  Thumb1:

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