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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #264 on: September 07, 2023, 05:17:37 PM »
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Brewer's basic story of seeing a man acting suspiciously on the street

No: Mr. Brewer's 'basic story' is that this man matched the description of the cop killer he had heard on the radio

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who he saw go into the Texas Theater

No: Mr. Brewer did not see him go into the Texas Theatre

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and who he followed

No: Mr. Brewer returned to the shoe store before re-emerging out onto the street and going down to the Texas Theatre

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #265 on: September 07, 2023, 06:33:21 PM »
How many people have been added to the conspiracy to frame Oswald for the crime within just an hour of the assassination?  And mostly random citizens.  That was quite a plan.  They are willing to lie or avoid telling the truth to help frame Oswald.  Never in their entire lives do they ever say differently or indicate that anyone coerced them into lying.  It's just possible.  Or it can't be disproven with absolute certainty to the subjective satisfaction of CTer/contrarians.  Imagine applying that standard to any other criminal case or fact in human history.

Imagine applying the “‘Richard’ imagined it, therefore it’s a fact” standard to another case in human history.

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #266 on: September 07, 2023, 06:43:09 PM »
Brewer's basic story of seeing a man acting suspiciously on the street who he saw go into the Texas Theater and who he followed, is confirmed by a number of eye-witnesses he told this story to before Oswald was arrested.
Postal, Burroughs and Walker confirm the detail that Brewer had mentioned the man ducking into his own store before moving on.

Uh, nobody disputes that Brewer saw somebody in front of his store that he thought went into the theater. Just like Burroughs saw somebody buying popcorn that he thought was Oswald. Just like Jack Davis saw somebody moving around to different seats that he thought was Oswald.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #267 on: September 07, 2023, 07:05:56 PM »
No: Mr. Brewer's 'basic story' is that this man matched the description of the cop killer he had heard on the radio

Can you help me out here.
I can't find where Brewer says he hears the description of the suspect on the radio.

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No: Mr. Brewer did not see him go into the Texas Theatre

I agree he doesn't see him enter the doors, but he seems really convinced he sees the man turn into the recessed part at the front.

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No: Mr. Brewer returned to the shoe store before re-emerging out onto the street and going down to the Texas Theatre

No, Brewer followed him out of the store and saw him go into the Texas Theater, then returned and asked his friends to lock up.
Then went to the cinema.
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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #268 on: September 07, 2023, 07:06:19 PM »
Walker- I went in the alley up to the back door. When I arrived there, there was several officers ... around the back of the theatre, and myself, and/McDonald, and Officer Hutson went in the back door. And this man [Brewer] told us, or this boy told us that there was someone, said the person that he had seen was inside the theatre, and that he had changed seats several times, and he thought he was out there in the middle now ...

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This is a highly significant detail from Patrolman Walker.

Mr. Brewer's story was always that he did NOT know where Mr. Oswald was until the lights were turned on: last he had seen of the man was when he ducked into the entrance area of the Texas Theatre. Now we have him (and it presumably is him) telling officers the same story that Mr. Jack Davis will tell: Mr. Oswald had changed seats several times.

How do we reconcile these conflicting accounts?

Well, Mr. Brewer must have picked up this information via someone who had, unlike him, actually seen the odd behavior of Mr. Oswald. Perhaps Mr. Burroughs. Perhaps Mr. Davis himself. Perhaps some other patron (the pregnant woman?). 'Yeah, there's a guy who keeps changing seats on the main floor.' Mr. Brewer, hearing this, assumed that this must be the man he had seen behaving suspiciously out in the street--------the 'suspect'. The lights come on, and Mr. Oswald gets into a ruckus with Officer McDonald. Mr. Brewer convinces himself that this must be his 'suspect' from the shoe store.

What Mr. Brewer doesn't know, however, is that THIS man's (i.e. Mr. Oswald's) strange seat-changing behavior started many minutes before the shoe store sighting. He assumes all this must have happened just in the last few minutes. He doesn't realize that Mr. Oswald cannot possibly have been the man acting suspiciously at the shoe store.

Note also the continuation of Patrolman Walker's account:

"And this man [Brewer] told us, or this boy told us that there was someone, said the person that he had seen was inside the theatre, and that he had changed seats several times, and he thought he was out there in the middle now"

"He thought he was out there in the middle now": this is very different to a confident pointing out of the man. Mr. Brewer has merely HEARD that the man who kept changing seats is now sitting in the middle section of the main floor. THIS is the second-hand information he passes on to the officers. He does not NOT point out Mr. Oswald specifically. He does NOT identify him positively as the man he saw at the shoe store. There is NO visual recognition here. And Officer McDonald, going only on the tip that the suspect is "in the middle now", first shakes down two men in the middle section, AND ONLY THEN Mr. Oswald.

If Mr. Brewer afterwards realized that this was a case of mistaken identity, he opted to play along with the official story. Indeed, he revelled in his heroic role as The Man Who Helped Capture the Presidential Assassin. And, in order to play his role the better, he embellished his story (radio report, matching description, brown shirt, etc.).
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #269 on: September 07, 2023, 07:16:01 PM »
Can you help me out here.
I can't find where Brewer says he hears the description of the suspect on the radio.

Multiple places. Start with his FBI interview 2/27/64

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I agree he doesn't see him enter the doors, but he seems really convinced he sees the man turn into the recessed part at the front.

And, in order to justify this really convinced state of mind, he misrepresents a basic fact as to the visibility of the box office from his vantage point

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No, Brewer followed him out of the store and saw him go into the Texas Theater,

Still nope

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then returned and asked his friends to lock up.
Then went to the cinema.

And misrepresents the basic sequence of events in his WC testimony:

Mr. BREWER. - [...] He walked into the Texas Theatre and I walked up to the theatre
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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #270 on: September 07, 2023, 10:16:38 PM »
Well, Mr. Brewer must have picked up this information via someone who had, unlike him, actually seen the odd behavior of Mr. Oswald. Perhaps Mr. Burroughs. Perhaps Mr. Davis himself. Perhaps some other patron (the pregnant woman?).

It's one of the most intriguing things witnessed by Mr. Davis: one of the people Mr. Oswald sat down beside was a pregnant woman. She then got up and left the cinema------and didn't return.

Well, here's a scenario that would explain why Mr. Brewer's bad feeling about the guy he saw at the shoe store, and his mere belief that this man had snuck into the cinema, was amplified into collective CERTAINTY that this suspicious man was indeed in the cinema: The pregnant woman left the screening and, before leaving the cinema in disgust, complained to Mr. Burroughs or Mrs. Postal about a male patron's creepy behavior.

Only one problem: she was talking about a different man to the man Mr. Brewer saw outside. But, in the excitement, this fact (the non-matching timelines) went unnoticed...................

And what information does the pregnant woman give before leaving? Well, to quote Patrolman Walker again: "he [...] changed seats several times, and [...] he [is] out there in the middle now ..."-------------which is where the pregnant woman had been sitting.

It is this information that the otherwise clueless Mr. Brewer will pass on to the officers when they come in
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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #271 on: September 08, 2023, 12:32:27 AM »
..or Oswald didn’t have a revolver at all and the gun that was struggled over was a throw-down gun that McDonald brought.
"a throw-down gun that McDonald brought."

LOL

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« Reply #271 on: September 08, 2023, 12:32:27 AM »