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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #272 on: September 08, 2023, 02:20:43 AM »
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"a throw-down gun that McDonald brought."

LOL

Not any more LOL-worthy than “Oswald brought CE143 into the theater”.
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Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #273 on: September 08, 2023, 06:57:42 AM »
The more likely time that Tippit was shot was approx 1:08 because of the DOA document time stamp of 1:15pm , Oswald pronounced dead on arriving  AT the hospital AT 1.15pm. And because Bowley arrived at the scene 1:10pm (per his own watch time).
 
For Oswald to have shot Tippet approx 1:08 pm only 4 minutes after Oswald left his boarding house at 1:04pm and then Oswald traveled approx 2 miles from 10th &Patton to the Texas Theater,  in just 12 minutes , to be seen by Jack Davis at 1:20pm would only be possible if Oswald was given a ride by car or he was able to use a bus.

The only way that the WC timeline works is if Markam, Bowley, Earlene Roberts, and Jack Davis are considered mistaken on their times of seeing Oswald.

And the DOA time stamp of 1:15 has to be interpreted to mean the physicians estimate of when the death of Tippit occurred.

And then other little problems like Whaley the taxi driver , seeing Oswald wearing BOTH the dark blue jacket AND the light gray jacket, well.. he was just confused on that .. BUT he was right none the less that the man he picked up not later than 12:45 (via Whaley's own manifest ) was dropped off 9 minutes later ( also by Whaleys own estimate) about 5 blocks from Oswald’s boarding house, at approx 12:54pm.

 And that man must be Oswald never the less the impossibility of Oswald having on EITHER jacket, because Whaley identified a  gold colored.bracelet on the wrist of the man he saw as the same bracelet that Oswald had on in a picture that Whaley saw.





Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #274 on: September 08, 2023, 09:41:50 AM »
Uh, nobody disputes that Brewer saw somebody in front of his store that he thought went into the theater. Just like Burroughs saw somebody buying popcorn that he thought was Oswald. Just like Jack Davis saw somebody moving around to different seats that he thought was Oswald.

"...nobody disputes that Brewer saw somebody in front of his store that he thought went into the theater."

That's all I've been getting at - that there is a general trustworthiness regarding Brewer's account as it is corroborated by multiple witness accounts.
There can also be little doubt that the man Brewer pointed out to various officers was Lee Harvey Oswald.
However, unlike Davis or Burroughs, Brewer recognised Oswald as a particularly awkward customer he had served in the recent past. This is supported by the fact that among the inventory of Oswald's possessions are a pair of shoes, "John Hardy brand".
It appears Oswald had indeed bought shoes from that particular shoestore and was remembered by Brewer as an awkward customer. So it is safe to assume, because Brewer recognised Oswald as a previous customer, that the man he saw ducking into his store, the man he believed went into the Texas Theater and the man he pointed out to multiple police officers in the cinema, were one and the same man.

What is very hard to deny is that the sole reason the police descended on the Texas Theater was the phone call from Postal.
And that the reason for this phone call was Brewer's intervention due to the suspicious activity of his ex-customer at a time when sirens were blaring up and down Jefferson and it had just been reported on the radio that there had been a shooting in Oak Cliff.
It is also safe to say that, if it hadn't been for Brewer's intervention, Oswald would not have been arrested in the Texas Theater.


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #275 on: September 08, 2023, 11:59:54 AM »
"...nobody disputes that Brewer saw somebody in front of his store that he thought went into the theater."

That's all I've been getting at - that there is a general trustworthiness regarding Brewer's account as it is corroborated by multiple witness accounts.
There can also be little doubt that the man Brewer pointed out to various officers was Lee Harvey Oswald.
However, unlike Davis or Burroughs, Brewer recognised Oswald as a particularly awkward customer he had served in the recent past. This is supported by the fact that among the inventory of Oswald's possessions are a pair of shoes, "John Hardy brand".
It appears Oswald had indeed bought shoes from that particular shoestore and was remembered by Brewer as an awkward customer. So it is safe to assume, because Brewer recognised Oswald as a previous customer, that the man he saw ducking into his store, the man he believed went into the Texas Theater and the man he pointed out to multiple police officers in the cinema, were one and the same man.

What is very hard to deny is that the sole reason the police descended on the Texas Theater was the phone call from Postal.
And that the reason for this phone call was Brewer's intervention due to the suspicious activity of his ex-customer at a time when sirens were blaring up and down Jefferson and it had just been reported on the radio that there had been a shooting in Oak Cliff.
It is also safe to say that, if it hadn't been for Brewer's intervention, Oswald would not have been arrested in the Texas Theater.

Good grief, nearly every sentence of this is packed with naive and ill-informed silliness.

What will be the next installment of garbage from Mr. O'Meara in his campaign to position himself as a Moderate Warren Gullible? 'There is a general trustworthiness regarding Brennan's account as it is corroborated by multiple witness accounts. There can also be little doubt that the man Brennan saw on the sixth floor was Lee Harvey Oswald.'

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #276 on: September 08, 2023, 12:43:44 PM »
Well!

Imagine by some miracle one of the eager beaver Warren Gullibles actually does finally uncover an amazingly early local radio broadcast informing listeners that an officer has been shot in Oak Cliff and the suspect is a white male wearing a WHITE jacket and a WHITE shirt.

OK. You're Mr. Brewer. You see a man in a BROWN shirt acting suspiciously. What do you think to yourself? 'Gee, that guy fits the description!' I don't think so.

Mr. Brewer's local radio broadcast is almost certainly a fabrication. And if it isn't, that would only make things worse for his story.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #277 on: September 08, 2023, 02:37:44 PM »
Well!

Imagine by some miracle one of the eager beaver Warren Gullibles actually does finally uncover an amazingly early local radio broadcast informing listeners that an officer has been shot in Oak Cliff and the suspect is a white male wearing a WHITE jacket and a WHITE shirt.

OK. You're Mr. Brewer. You see a man in a BROWN shirt acting suspiciously. What do you think to yourself? 'Gee, that guy fits the description!' I don't think so.

Mr. Brewer's local radio broadcast is almost certainly a fabrication. And if it isn't, that would only make things worse for his story.

You really are suggesting that the police and witnesses should ignore a person who is acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the crime because he allegedly didn't match the EXACT description down to every piece of clothing.  You find that suspicious?  Good grief.  And, of course, we know that Oswald did make efforts to change his appearance after the Tippit shooting by discarding his jacket.  Oswald matched the general description.  He was acting suspiciously in the immediate vicinity of the crime.  The police acted the same way that they did when they saw a guy running inot the library (who didn't meet the descritpion exactly). 

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« Reply #278 on: September 08, 2023, 03:09:49 PM »
The police acted the same way that they did when they saw a guy running inot the library (who didn't meet the descritpion exactly).

Please describe for us the guy seen running into the library at Marsalis

Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #279 on: September 08, 2023, 03:25:13 PM »
You really are suggesting that the police and witnesses should ignore a person who is acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the crime because he allegedly didn't match the EXACT description down to every piece of clothing.  You find that suspicious?  Good grief.  And, of course, we know that Oswald did make efforts to change his appearance after the Tippit shooting by discarding his jacket.  Oswald matched the general description.  He was acting suspiciously in the immediate vicinity of the crime.  The police acted the same way that they did when they saw a guy running inot the library (who didn't meet the descritpion exactly).

And, of course, we know that Oswald did make efforts to change his appearance after the Tippit shooting by discarding his jacket.

We know this? Really? Your imagination is working overtime again....

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« Reply #279 on: September 08, 2023, 03:25:13 PM »