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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #280 on: September 08, 2023, 05:24:27 PM »
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And, of course, we know that Oswald did make efforts to change his appearance after the Tippit shooting by discarding his jacket.

We know this? Really? Your imagination is working overtime again....

It's my imagination?  LOL.  Why not be honest for a single time when discussing this case.  Oswald had a jacket on when he left his boardinghouse.  He did not have a jacket when arrested at the TT.  Thus, his appearance had change between the boarding house and TT.  But that doesn't even matter.  The issue is whether the police should have taken seriously a report of an individual acting suspiciously in proximity to the crime scene just because one aspect of his clothing description was different.  No sane person would suggest that the police should have ignored that report and not responded. 

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« Reply #281 on: September 08, 2023, 05:45:20 PM »
Please describe for us the guy seen running into the library at Marsalis

Gray sweater.  Differing from the exact description but acting suspiciously by running in the vicinity of the crime scene.  Police respond in force.  The guy explains himself instead of resisting arrest and trying to pull a gun. 

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« Reply #282 on: September 08, 2023, 06:02:35 PM »
It's my imagination?  LOL.  Why not be honest for a single time when discussing this case.  Oswald had a jacket on when he left his boardinghouse.  He did not have a jacket when arrested at the TT.  Thus, his appearance had change between the boarding house and TT.  But that doesn't even matter.  The issue is whether the police should have taken seriously a report of an individual acting suspiciously in proximity to the crime scene just because one aspect of his clothing description was different.  No sane person would suggest that the police should have ignored that report and not responded.

Oswald had a jacket on when he left his boardinghouse.

LOL... Because Earlene Roberts, who was blind in one eye, was paying attention to the television, with her back turned to the room, and only saw Oswald for a second or two, said so? How convenient....

But that doesn't even matter.

Of course it matters. Except for a statement made by a highly unreliable witness, there is no credible evidence that Oswald left the roominghouse wearing a jacket. And without that evidence, all your subsequent claims are build on quicksand.


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« Reply #283 on: September 08, 2023, 06:14:29 PM »
Oswald had a jacket on when he left his boardinghouse.

LOL... Because Earlene Roberts, who was blind in one eye, was paying attention to the television, with her back turned to the room, and only saw Oswald for a second or two, said so? How convenient....

But that doesn't even matter.

Of course it matters. Except for a statement made by a highly unreliable witness, there is no credible evidence that Oswald left the roominghouse wearing a jacket. And without that evidence, all your subsequent claims are build on quicksand.

Why are you going down this rabbit hole again after recently being humiliated by Bill and others on this topic?  And Roberts wasn't the only person to confirm that Oswald was wearing a jacket.  Multiple witnesses at the Tippit shooting who later ID Oswald as the shooter indicated that he was wearing a jacket.  He has no jacket when he is arrested.  He has changed his appearance.  But AGAIN, that is not relevant to the point being made.  You are having trouble following.  The police received a report of a person acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the crime scene.  He fits the general description of the suspect (white slender male).  One particular regardging his shirt color is different. Should they have responded or not?  LOL. 

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« Reply #284 on: September 08, 2023, 06:25:24 PM »
Gray sweater.  Differing from the exact description but acting suspiciously by running in the vicinity of the crime scene.

Ah, a GRAY sweater. Thank you, Mr. Smith  Thumb1: (And could you please give us a source for this detail?)

So! Patrolman Walker sees a guy in a gray sweater running into the library. Perhaps he doesn't even get a good enough look of the top to see that it's a sweater rather than a shirt. Perhaps he just sees: gray top. But even if he does recognize it as a sweater, he understands it's very easy for a gray sweater under a jacket to have been confused by a witness for a white shirt. Well within the normal margin of error. Coupled with the fact of his running in the vicinity of the crime scene, it makes perfect sense for Patrolman Walker to think 'This must be our guy' and to excitedly put out a confident radio dispatch, "He's in the library".

Now compare this with:

A report comes in of a guy in a brown shirt ducking into the Texas Theatre. Very unlikely for a brown shirt to be confused by a witness for a white shirt. Well outside the normal margin of error. It may make sense to send a cop or two to check the thing out, but it makes very little sense to hit the cinema with anything like the fervor with which the library was hit before this.

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By the way, we know that Patrolman Walker was on high alert in these manhunt minutes for one thing: a man in a white shirt. Makes sense: like other officers, he had heard the description broadcast, followed by the information that the jacket had been discarded and found. But we have extra confirmation that what he was on high alert for was: a man in white shirt. Because the NEXT man Patrolman Walker confronted was a guy he saw behind a fence. As it happened, the guy was just out walking his dog. But Patrolman Walker didn't know that at first. He saw this man as a suspect for one reason: he was wearing a WHITE SHIRT.

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Change one detail in the Brewer story and the response of the police to the call from the Texas Theatre makes sense: the man seen by Brewer had on a white shirt. The brown shirt was only 'remembered' later------------------after Mr. Oswald's arrest.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2023, 06:27:21 PM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #285 on: September 08, 2023, 06:31:52 PM »
Why are you going down this rabbit hole again after recently being humiliated by Bill and others on this topic?  And Roberts wasn't the only person to confirm that Oswald was wearing a jacket.  Multiple witnesses at the Tippit shooting who later ID Oswald as the shooter indicated that he was wearing a jacket.  He has no jacket when he is arrested.  He has changed his appearance.  But AGAIN, that is not relevant to the point being made.  You are having trouble following.  The police received a report of a person acting suspiciously in the vicinity of the crime scene.  He fits the general description of the suspect (white slender male).  One particular regardging his shirt color is different. Should they have responded or not?  LOL.

Why are you going down this rabbit hole again after recently being humiliated by Bill and others on this topic?

Now I know for sure that your imagination is in full overdrive, again....  :D :D

And Roberts wasn't the only person to confirm that Oswald was wearing a jacket.  Multiple witnesses at the Tippit shooting who later ID Oswald as the shooter indicated that he was wearing a jacket.

Hilarious... More circular "logic"....

If Oswald didn't leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket, then he couldn't have been the man those "multiple witnesses" saw and thus probably mistakenly identified in highly questionable line ups.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2023, 06:34:57 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #286 on: September 08, 2023, 06:32:37 PM »
Oswald had a jacket on when he left his boardinghouse.

"a jacket", lol

“Oswald did not have a jacket when he came in to the house and I don’t recall what type of clothing he was wearing. Oswald went to his room and was only there a few minutes before coming out. I noticed he had a jacket he was putting on. I recall the jacket was a dark color"

(signed affidavit of Mrs. Earlene Roberts of Dec 5, 1963 for the Warren Commission)

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« Reply #287 on: September 08, 2023, 06:42:34 PM »
Ah, a GRAY sweater. Thank you, Mr. Smith  Thumb1: (And could you please give us a source for this detail?)

So! Patrolman Walker sees a guy in a gray sweater running into the library. Perhaps he doesn't even get a good enough look of the top to see that it's a sweater rather than a shirt. Perhaps he just sees: gray top. But even if he does recognize it as a sweater, he understands it's very easy for a gray sweater under a jacket to have been confused by a witness for a white shirt. Well within the normal margin of error. Coupled with the fact of his running in the vicinity of the crime scene, it makes perfect sense for Patrolman Walker to think 'This must be our guy' and to excitedly put out a confident radio dispatch, "He's in the library".

Now compare this with:

A report comes in of a guy in a brown shirt ducking into the Texas Theatre. Very unlikely for a brown shirt to be confused by a witness for a white shirt. Well outside the normal margin of error. It may make sense to send a cop or two to check the thing out, but it makes very little sense to hit the cinema with anything like the fervor with which the library was hit before this.

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By the way, we know that Patrolman Walker was on high alert in these manhunt minutes for one thing: a man in a white shirt. Makes sense: like other officers, he had heard the description broadcast, followed by the information that the jacket had been discarded and found. But we have extra confirmation that what he was on high alert for was: a man in white shirt. Because the NEXT man Patrolman Walker confronted was a guy he saw behind a fence. As it happened, the guy was just out walking his dog. But Patrolman Walker didn't know that at first. He saw this man as a suspect for one reason: he was wearing a WHITE SHIRT.

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Change one detail in the Brewer story and the response of the police to the call from the Texas Theatre makes sense: the man seen by Brewer had on a white shirt. The brown shirt was only 'remembered' later------------------after Mr. Oswald's arrest.

So the suspect could have stopped and bought a sweater after killing Tippit and put that on over his "white shirt?  Wow!   The police did not pursue him because of what they thought about his shirt/sweater.  The obvious point is that a report of a suspicious person that matches the general description of the suspect warrants a police response.  That is what happened at the library.  That is what happened at the TT.  There were undoubtedly lots of people wearing white, gray, and brown shirts walking around.  They were not stopped because of that.  The individuals that the police pursued were reported as acting suspiciously.  Running into a library for no apparent reason.  Trying to avoid the police and then sneaking into the TT without buying a ticket.

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« Reply #287 on: September 08, 2023, 06:42:34 PM »