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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #304 on: September 08, 2023, 09:43:23 PM »
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We are making snail-like progress.  No one could have thought it possible!  So the police SHOULD have responded to the TT.  We have cleared that up.  Now grasshopper ask yourself the next question.  Who are the police looking for in that area?  A cop murdering killer.   Is such a person potentially dangerous?  Yes!  This guy could turn out to be that person.  He could turn out not to be that person like the guy in the library where a heavy police response was sent.  What should they do?  Send a light response and potentially get more officers killed or send a heavy response to ensure the safety of the responding officers?

Sure, “Richard”, come out guns-blazing to every “slender white male” in the vicinity. The hell with probable cause and the Constitution. If a cop wants to do it, then it’s ok.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #305 on: September 08, 2023, 09:53:01 PM »
Good grief.  I don't "assume" anything.  It's the witness at the boardinghouse who testified that Oswald was wearing a jacket when he left.  Other witnesses who saw him before he reached the TT confirm he was wearing a jacket.  They didn't just identify a "man" wearing a jacket.  They identified Oswald as the "man" and the man (Oswald) as wearing a jacket.  So multiple witnesses put Oswald in a jacket before reaching the TT.   

Wherein we once again see “Richard’s” confusion between fact and ridiculously contrived unfair lineup.

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #306 on: September 08, 2023, 10:01:26 PM »
That is not the question.  You already agreed that the police had cause to go to the TT because they had received a report of a suspicious man entering that theatre that was in the vicinity of the crime.

But the dispatch doesn't say "Have information a man acting suspiciously just went into the Texas Theatre". Rather it says "Have information the suspect just went into the Texas Theatre".

No way would a description of a man in a brown shirt give rise to such a leaping-to-counterintuitive-conclusion dispatch

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The question then becomes how they should respond.  Now who are they looking for?  A cop killing murderer who is armed and dangerous.  Right?  Maybe it turns out he is not the guy in the TT.

It would be very surprising indeed if some suspicious-acting brown-shirted guy in the TT should turn out to be the white-shirted suspect everyone's looking for.

However, change but one detail in the after-the-event Brewer story (---------->he described the man as white-shirted) and the DPD's response becomes perfectly intelligible. This could reasonably be seen as "information the suspect just went into the Texas Theatre".
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #307 on: September 08, 2023, 10:06:29 PM »
Ah, a GRAY sweater. Thank you, Mr. Smith  Thumb1: (And could you please give us a source for this detail?)

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #308 on: September 09, 2023, 12:03:11 AM »
Buell W. Frazier describes (sort of)Oswald wearing a blue jacket when Oswald rode  in BWFs car that Friday morning of Nov/22/63.

If that’s the dark blue jacket and Oswald wore that jacket when he left the TSBD approx 12:33, pm and IF Oswald never actually went to McWatters bus, and instead went more directly to Whaleys taxi, then what Whaley saw as Oswald’s OUTER garment is close enough to be the dark blue jacket.

It may have taken Oswald more than just 7 minutes to walk directly to Whaleys taxi, so the timing of entering the taxi about 12:44-45 may still be the approx  time , which therefore still precludes Oswald having walked to 10th and Patton st by 1:08 pm.
 
How to explain Earlene Roberts seeing Oswald entering the house wearing just a light colored long sleeve shirt?

If Oswald took off the dark blue jacket just as he was entering the house and just before Roberts looked at him, then it’s possible she would have only seen  the light pinkish reddish shirt that Oswald had on and remember that more vaguely as  a light colored long sleeves shirt.

How to explain Roberts seeing Oswald zipping up a dark blue jacket as Oswald was leaving the house?

While Earlene Roberts was fixated on the TV news about JFK, Oswald could have exited his room and made it to the place  in the house where he had taken off his dark blue jacket when he had entered the house, and he was able to put that dark blue  jacket back on and just as he was zipping it up on his way to the front door, is the moment when Roberts looked up and saw him zipping it.

So since the time exiting the house was 1:04,pm  it’s not likely that Oswald ever was at 10th and Patton st at 1:07-1:08pm.

So that leaves the sightings of Oswald in the theatre by Burroughs at 1:15 ( his later statements) and Davis at 1:20pm  and Brewers 1:30 sighting of Oswald at his store.

Can Oswald walk to the theatre from the boarding house in just 11 minutes? Maybe, if he walked “briskly”. :)

Burroughs didn’t actually see Oswald enter the theater , so Oswald could have had on his dark blue jacket when he entered the theater .

Davis only saw Oswald moving around in the DARK so maybe he didn’t notice if Oswald had on a jacket or the color of the Oswald’s clothing.

Oswald could have also just taken off the jacket leaving it at one seat and then started moving around to the other seats.

CT explanations for  Brewers sighting at 1:30 pm of Oswald just in the brown shirt?

Options:

A. Brewer saw Oswald earlier about 1:16pm wearing the dark blue jacket. There was some kind of coercion of Brewer  by the WC to alter his observation and time.
B. Oswald took off his dark blue jacket after entering theater at 1:15om.  He had bought a ticket from Postal, and so Oswald went back out for a few minutes to visit Brewers store, wearing only his brown shirt. Oswald returned about 1:19 , and went past the ticket booth without stopping because he had already paid. Brewer observed this and misinterpreted that as Oswald having nefariously slipped into the theatre. For the next 60 seconds , Oswald moved around in the dark to several seats which is why Jack Davis noticed him and noted the time as 1:20 pm.
C: Some other man resembling Oswald and wearing only a brown shirt showed up at Brewers store at 1:30 pm and then this man entered the theater a few minutes later and went to the balcony. If this man was the Tippit shooter, he could have already discarded his gun before entering the theater and so when he was questioned by the police, there was no cause to arrest him.
D: Oswald was being transported by a conspirator car To be able to move quicker to arrive at 10th and Patton by 1:08 and then at the theater by 1:15 pm.




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Re: Time for Truth
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #309 on: September 09, 2023, 08:13:19 AM »
Buell W. Frazier describes (sort of)Oswald wearing a blue jacket when Oswald rode  in BWFs car that Friday morning of Nov/22/63.

No, he describes him as wearing a gray flannel-looking jacket.

No one has ever explained what happened to this jacket.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #310 on: September 09, 2023, 08:26:12 AM »
Bumped for Mr. Smith

Does anyone have a source for the gray sweater worn by the man Patrolman Walker saw running into the library?

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #311 on: September 09, 2023, 04:33:59 PM »
Not any more LOL-worthy than “Oswald brought CE143 into the theater”.
"Not any more LOL-worthy than 'Oswald brought CE143 into the theater'."

LOL

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Re: Time for Truth
« Reply #311 on: September 09, 2023, 04:33:59 PM »