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LNers, CT's and fence sitters alike should read The Warren Commission Report so y'all at least have a basic understanding of how the Commission derived their conclusions because trusting some obscure CT web site will oftentimes not tell you the full story. And of course there is the occasional insignificant mistake which we can all debate within this thread.

The following web site has the WC Report in easily digestible chapters.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report


And as an added bonus the Mary Ferrell web site has the 26 volumes with a useful search function, which is all the evidence that the Commission based their conclusions.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1006


Also, if anyone finds any other helpful website I will add it here, for instance the following compilation of JFK eyewitnesses is especially valuable in quickly finding what someone exactly testified to.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/wit.htm

So basically here it all is, so hopefully there will be no more "iirc" shenanigans and we can all be on an even playing ground, so dig in and hopefully learn something new. ;D

JohnM

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2023, 02:01:18 PM »
LNers, CT's and fence sitters alike should read The Warren Commission Report so y'all at least have a basic understanding of how the Commission derived their conclusions because trusting some obscure CT web site will oftentimes not tell you the full story. And of course there is the occasional insignificant mistake which we can all debate within this thread.

The following web site has the WC Report in easily digestible chapters.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report


And as an added bonus the Mary Ferrell web site has the 26 volumes with a useful search function, which is all the evidence that the Commission based their conclusions.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1006


Also, if anyone finds any other helpful website I will add it here, for instance the following compilation of JFK eyewitnesses is especially valuable in quickly finding what someone exactly testified to.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/wit.htm

So basically here it all is, so hopefully there will be no more "iirc" shenanigans and we can all be on an even playing ground, so dig in and hopefully learn something new. ;D

JohnM


I agree that this is a resource that should be the starting point for anyone wanting to learn about the assassination. And thankfully, as you pointed out, it is freely available to anyone who might be inclined. Sadly, there are plenty of people who are predisposed (biased) against the “government” or any of the “authorities” and would never believe a thing from them. Most of these people do not realize that the WC staff (who did the vast majority of the actual investigative work of the WC) were not in the government at that time. Polarized politics and the related accusations tend to reinforce the distrust of authorities. While some of the distrust is due to past questionable behavior of some unscrupulous characters and is justified. A wholesale distrust of everything about the authorities is just paranoia. Being skeptical and questioning the authorities is one thing and is healthy. Outright complete bias against the authorities is another thing and is not healthy.

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2023, 04:23:54 PM »
One of the first things I did, 35 years ago, was read the WCR cover to cover. You have to know what it says and what they based their conclusions on to understand the fallacies in their arguments and of those who spout their conclusions as gospel.

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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2023, 08:43:53 PM »
To LNers, CTers and anyone on the fence about this case, or is just starting to read up about it. It's very important to make sure you read this letter written by the assistant AG the day after Lee Oswald was murdered in the basement of the Dallas police building. And it's important to think of this letter as the preface of a book.

Guess what? You will not find the letter below on a single page of the official Warren Report.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/fbi/105-82555/124-10010-10135/html/124-10010-10135_0002a.htm

Ask yourself something - and let's imagine for a moment - what if a letter like this was written for the following cases?

The Charles Manson case
The Scott Peterson case
The Jeff MacDonald case

What do you think would have happened if the above cases had reached their conclusion only to find such a letter after the fact?

The Warren Report was tainted from the get-go. As the above letter says, all speculation about a conspiracy WAS, indeed, quashed.

It's important, too, to remember that Oswald had NO representation during the entire WC investigation. In other words, his voice was silenced the day Ruby shot him and no one from a legal standpoint was there during the WC investigation to rebut whatever it is they brought up, which makes the above letter highly suspicious because they knew they could get away with just about any "conclusion" they came up with.

I've been interested in this case for 40 years now. Like a lot of folks who think the WC is 100% correct, it's got nothing to do with "not believing our government." I worked for the Federal government myself and until recently was a contractor for the government. My relative works directly for them as well.

No, it's got nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the powers that be back then who knew it would open up a huge can of worms to vigorously and honestly investigate what happened on 11/22. And it doesn't matter how many "blue ribbon panels" were going to be created to investigate what happened, because as the above letter shows, these powers that be has an ulterior motive to come up with the conclusion that was eventually reached in the WC.

EDIT - for further reading. The above letter from Katzenbach was suppressed for 12 years:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files%20Original/S%20Disk/Schweiker%20Report%206-23-76/Item%2012.pdf
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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2023, 02:21:39 AM »
To LNers, CTers and anyone on the fence about this case, or is just starting to read up about it. It's very important to make sure you read this letter written by the assistant AG the day after Lee Oswald was murdered in the basement of the Dallas police building. And it's important to think of this letter as the preface of a book.

Guess what? You will not find the letter below on a single page of the official Warren Report.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/fbi/105-82555/124-10010-10135/html/124-10010-10135_0002a.htm

Ask yourself something - and let's imagine for a moment - what if a letter like this was written for the following cases?

The Charles Manson case
The Scott Peterson case
The Jeff MacDonald case

What do you think would have happened if the above cases had reached their conclusion only to find such a letter after the fact?

The Warren Report was tainted from the get-go. As the above letter says, all speculation about a conspiracy WAS, indeed, quashed.

It's important, too, to remember that Oswald had NO representation during the entire WC investigation. In other words, his voice was silenced the day Ruby shot him and no one from a legal standpoint was there during the WC investigation to rebut whatever it is they brought up, which makes the above letter highly suspicious because they knew they could get away with just about any "conclusion" they came up with.

I've been interested in this case for 40 years now. Like a lot of folks who think the WC is 100% correct, it's got nothing to do with "not believing our government." I worked for the Federal government myself and until recently was a contractor for the government. My relative works directly for them as well.

No, it's got nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the powers that be back then who knew it would open up a huge can of worms to vigorously and honestly investigate what happened on 11/22. And it doesn't matter how many "blue ribbon panels" were going to be created to investigate what happened, because as the above letter shows, these powers that be has an ulterior motive to come up with the conclusion that was eventually reached in the WC.

EDIT - for further reading. The above letter from Katzenbach was suppressed for 12 years:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files%20Original/S%20Disk/Schweiker%20Report%206-23-76/Item%2012.pdf

If there was a conspiracy and they were trying to cover it up, there would be no way they would commit anything to the written record, that's simply absurd.
By the time the memo was written the facts and evidence that Oswald was guilty and acted alone were abundantly clear, no one was waiting for Oswald to help him escape and with no place to go, Oswald ended up all alone in a public theatre.
After discovering that Kennedy was going to pass right by his building, Oswald on the spur of the moment decided to kill the President, it's as simple as that.

Btw it's almost 60 years later and there is still absolutely no signs of any conspiracy, so history has ironically in fact positively reinforced the original intention of Katzenberg's memo, how about that.

JohnM


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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2023, 08:59:22 AM »
If there was a conspiracy and they were trying to cover it up, there would be no way they would commit anything to the written record, that's simply absurd.
By the time the memo was written the facts and evidence that Oswald was guilty and acted alone were abundantly clear, no one was waiting for Oswald to help him escape and with no place to go, Oswald ended up all alone in a public theatre.
After discovering that Kennedy was going to pass right by his building, Oswald on the spur of the moment decided to kill the President, it's as simple as that.

Btw it's almost 60 years later and there is still absolutely no signs of any conspiracy, so history has ironically in fact positively reinforced the original intention of Katzenberg's memo, how about that.

JohnM

If there was a conspiracy and they were trying to cover it up, there would be no way they would commit anything to the written record, that's simply absurd.

For once we agree. Except, when you know and understand this, why do you keep on asking for physical evidence of a conspiracy?

Btw it's almost 60 years later and there is still absolutely no signs of any conspiracy, so history has ironically in fact positively reinforced the original intention of Katzenberg's memo, how about that.

How about that? It's BS. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence of evidence manipulation and dubious activity that could point to a conspiracy, but you will never accept that.

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2023, 03:11:37 PM »
By the time the memo was written the facts and evidence that Oswald was guilty and acted alone were abundantly clear

LOL. What facts and evidence, exactly?

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2023, 01:02:06 AM »
There was no obligation for the federal government to investigate this case.  The DPD was satisfied of Oswald's guilt based upon the evidence that had been obtained.  If the highest levels of the US government were involved in the assassination, framing of Oswald, and cover up, then the very last thing they would have done is to initiate a voluntary investigation into the matter.  That would be absurd.  The WC did an outstanding job.  If CTer loons want to believe that they didn't keep an open mind and had a preconceived conclusion, maybe they should blame Oswald for leaving so much evidence of his guilt.  If the WC was biased toward Oswald, it was because the evidence demonstrates that he was stone cold guilty of this crime.  There is no doubt. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2023, 01:02:06 AM »