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Offline John Mytton

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2023, 06:04:59 AM »
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Says the guy who has no evidence of anything being sent to “Oswald’s PO Box”. Will you ever grasp the concept that claims are not evidence?

Yawn, the old "he has no evidence" mantra, I'm the only person supplying the connected mountain of evidence and you desperately claim it's ALL flawed in some way or another, for example;

The money order in Oswald's handwriting for the exact amount of the cost of the rifle with postage is somehow not connected?
The money order payed to Kleins Sporting Goods is somehow not connected?
The date of the stamped money order and dated the exact same day as the envelope was posted is somehow not connected?
The coupon and the accompanying envelope(CE773) is somehow not connected?
The coupon with two matching block letters with Oswald's PO Box is somehow not connected?
Kleins records(Waldman7) of when and where the rifle was sent with Oswald's PO box is somehow not connected?
And on and on it goes, every piece of evidence is examined without context and each time we receive an absurd biased conclusion.

Now I fully expect as usual, Iacoletti will separate each piece of evidence with his ever so boring "LOL"s and he will simply ignore all the obvious connections but as Weidman says "connect the dots", and in this case all the dots lead straight to Lee Harvey Oswald.   







JohnM



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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2023, 11:42:51 AM »
Yawn, the old "he has no evidence" mantra, I'm the only person supplying the connected mountain of evidence and you desperately claim it's ALL flawed in some way or another, for example;

The money order in Oswald's handwriting for the exact amount of the cost of the rifle with postage is somehow not connected?
The money order payed to Kleins Sporting Goods is somehow not connected?
The date of the stamped money order and dated the exact same day as the envelope was posted is somehow not connected?
The coupon and the accompanying envelope(CE773) is somehow not connected?
The coupon with two matching block letters with Oswald's PO Box is somehow not connected?

The drama queen strikes again. I don't think there is anybody who has even claimed that there is no connection between the money order and the order form.

The problem is that they don't "prove" what you claim they prove. Even if Oswald did write the documents (and handwriting experts don't all agree on that), it could easily be that he was being manipulated into writing those documents. I could explain, but I won't bother, as there is no point in trying to explain something so basic to a fanatical zealot like you.

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Kleins records(Waldman7) of when and where the rifle was sent with Oswald's PO box is somehow not connected?

This is where it gets dodgy. For evidence to be relied upon, it's needs to be authenticated. Waldman 7 never was. It was never established who wrote the serial and control numbers on that internal Kleins' document and when. All we know is that Waldman, a Kleins' VP who had nothing to do with the gun department, explained what the markings on the document mean. That's not authentication.



For some inexplicable reason, Waldman 7, an internal document, was only available as a photocopy taken from a microfilm which the FBI confiscated on 11/23/63. Nobody knows what happened to the original and/or the microfilm and if the one they showed Waldman during his testimony, several months later was in fact the same one. The evidentiary value of Waldman 7 is highly questionable.

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And on and on it goes, every piece of evidence is examined without context and each time we receive an absurd biased conclusion.

Utter BS. When you say evidence is examined without context, you actually mean that evidence is "examined" based upon a pre-determined conclusion of guilt. And that's when you always get an absurd biased conclusion. What you constantly fail to understand is that pieces of evidence need to be authenticated and not just taken at face value.

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Now I fully expect as usual, Iacoletti will separate each piece of evidence with his ever so boring "LOL"s and he will simply ignore all the obvious connections but as Weidman says "connect the dots", and in this case all the dots lead straight to Lee Harvey Oswald.   

Actually, not really. Not the dots, but the leaps of faith and the assumptions required to "connect" the dots lead to LHO. The pieces of evidence themselves don't get even close.


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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2023, 12:02:50 PM »
The drama queen strikes again. I don't think there is anybody who has even claimed that there is no connection between the money order and the order form.

The problem is that they don't "prove" what you claim they prove. Even if Oswald did write the documents (and handwriting experts don't all agree on that), it could easily be that he was being manipulated into writing those documents. I could explain, but I won't bother, as there is no point in trying to explain something so basic to a fanatical zealot like you.

This is where it gets dodgy. For evidence to be relied upon, it's needs to be authenticated. Waldman 7 never was. It was never established who wrote the serial and control numbers on that internal Kleins' document and when. All we know is that Waldman, a Kleins' VP who had nothing to do with the gun department, explained what the markings on the document mean. That's not authentication.



For some inexplicable reason, Waldman 7, an internal document, was only available as a photocopy taken from a microfilm which the FBI confiscated on 11/23/63. Nobody knows what happened to the original and/or the microfilm and if the one they showed Waldman during his testimony, several months later was in fact the same one. The evidentiary value of Waldman 7 is highly questionable.

Utter BS. When you say evidence is examined without context, you actually mean that evidence is "examined" based upon a pre-determined conclusion of guilt. And that's when you always get an absurd biased conclusion. What you constantly fail to understand is that pieces of evidence need to be authenticated and not just taken at face value.

Actually, not really. Not the dots, but the leaps of faith and the assumptions required to "connect" the dots lead to LHO. The pieces of evidence themselves don't get even close.

Thank you for expressing your opinion. Thumb1:

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« Reply #107 on: June 14, 2023, 05:53:11 PM »
No worries and fortunately for histories sake it's an opinion supported by two in depth investigations! Thumb1:

"investigations".  LOL.

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #108 on: June 14, 2023, 06:02:42 PM »
Yawn, the old "he has no evidence" mantra,

Yawn, the old "if I claim it, then it's true" mantra.

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The money order in Oswald's handwriting for the exact amount of the cost of the rifle with postage is somehow not connected?

"Oswald's handwriting".  LOL.  You can either connect the money order found in Virginia with a specific Klein's order or you cannot.  And you cannot.

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The money order payed to Kleins Sporting Goods is somehow not connected?

Somehow deposited a month before it was received.

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The date of the stamped money order and dated the exact same day as the envelope was posted is somehow not connected?

Gee, somebody had a stamp.

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The coupon and the accompanying envelope(CE773) is somehow not connected?

"Accompanying envelope".  LOL.

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The coupon with two matching block letters with Oswald's PO Box is somehow not connected?

"two matching block letters".  LOL.

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Kleins records(Waldman7) of when and where the rifle was sent with Oswald's PO box is somehow not connected?

There's no record of when or where anything was sent.

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And on and on it goes, every piece of evidence is examined without context and each time we receive an absurd biased conclusion.

Each time we receive an absurd and biased characterization of the evidence.  And speculative conclusions that have no merit.

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Now I fully expect as usual, Iacoletti will separate each piece of evidence with his ever so boring "LOL"s and he will simply ignore all the obvious connections but as Weidman says "connect the dots", and in this case all the dots lead straight to Lee Harvey Oswald.   

"Obvious connections".  LOL.

I'm not LOL-ing at the evidence.  If LOL-ing at your ridiculous and unsupported claims about the evidence.

But thanks for your opinion.
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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #109 on: June 14, 2023, 10:08:04 PM »
Yawn, the old "he has no evidence" mantra, I'm the only person supplying the connected mountain of evidence and you desperately claim it's ALL flawed in some way or another, for example;

The money order in Oswald's handwriting for the exact amount of the cost of the rifle with postage is somehow not connected?
The money order payed to Kleins Sporting Goods is somehow not connected?
The date of the stamped money order and dated the exact same day as the envelope was posted is somehow not connected?
The coupon and the accompanying envelope(CE773) is somehow not connected?
The coupon with two matching block letters with Oswald's PO Box is somehow not connected?
Kleins records(Waldman7) of when and where the rifle was sent with Oswald's PO box is somehow not connected?
And on and on it goes, every piece of evidence is examined without context and each time we receive an absurd biased conclusion.

Now I fully expect as usual, Iacoletti will separate each piece of evidence with his ever so boring "LOL"s and he will simply ignore all the obvious connections but as Weidman says "connect the dots", and in this case all the dots lead straight to Lee Harvey Oswald.   







JohnM

Interesting that Oswald stamped his "Hands off Cuba" handbills as "A.J. Hidell" but the Klein's order form and the money order shows "A. Hidell". 

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Re: One of the most important books in this case is free and online!
« Reply #110 on: June 15, 2023, 11:06:39 PM »


This  Lee Harvey Oswald who was able to speak fluent Russian language and he was able to figure out exact route of travel to which embassy’s to get himself into the USSR , was accepted and coincidentally able to get himself assigned to work in the area of USSR where the U -2 Spy plane got shot down…

THIS Oswald who figured out all that,  was somehow unable  to realize that writing a fake name with his same regular handwriting style, and using P.O. Box link to his usual Oswald self, was STUPID?

It seems incredulous unless Oswald can be proved to be an idiot savant or was a schizo phrenic shifting back and forth between 2 personalities kind of like the guy in the movie Fight Club.

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« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2023, 11:57:19 PM »

This  Lee Harvey Oswald who was able to speak fluent Russian language and he was able to figure out exact route of travel to which embassy’s to get himself into the USSR , was accepted and coincidentally able to get himself assigned to work in the area of USSR where the U -2 Spy plane got shot down…

THIS Oswald who figured out all that,  was somehow unable  to realize that writing a fake name with his same regular handwriting style, and using P.O. Box link to his usual Oswald self, was STUPID?

It seems incredulous unless Oswald can be proved to be an idiot savant or was a schizo phrenic shifting back and forth between 2 personalities kind of like the guy in the movie Fight Club.

You hit the nail on the head, Zeon.

The LNs want to have their cake and eat it too. What kind of an idiot orders a rifle under an alias and has it sent to his own p.o. box, then uses that alias in New Orleans in such away that the authorities are aware of it and then kills the President while walking around with a fake ID of that same alias in his wallet, linking him to the rifle he left at his place of work.

It stretches credulity.

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