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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #152 on: July 05, 2023, 02:36:12 AM »
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Marina Oswald was a subject citizen of the USSR for some  20 yrs so it’s a high probability she was mentally conditioned to agree with and obey government authority without question because to be a dissenter in a communist regime was extremely dangerous, especially for women.

That fear of government was not likely any different when Marina became a citizen of the USA and subjected  to interrogation by FBI.

What small % of wooden portion of some object inside a blanket that Marina saw can not be declared as proof that  the object must have been the MC rifle found on the 6th floor TSBD.

It cannot be logically concluded that the object  was a rifle any more than the object was a shotgun.

Marina could not even distinguish in early first statements the difference between a  shotgun or a rifle nor could she remember ever seeing a scope on whatever object that Oswald may have had in hand. She could not distinguish if the sound she heard from Oswald on the porch with whatever object he may have had was due to dry firing noise from a rifle or from a pistol or a shotgun.

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #153 on: July 05, 2023, 03:28:17 AM »
LOL.  Another mysterious first-time poster shows up to "help" Martin.  At least he didn't cite us to a "You Tube" video.  HA HA HA.

C'mon Richard, even though I can't recall 1 example, Tom did say you were "repeatedly schooled" which means he has been closely monitoring this Forum and I really don't know anyone else who is here night and day? Oh hang on... -giggle-

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #154 on: July 05, 2023, 02:34:04 PM »
More word games. LOL

The word game is yours, trying to claim that the HSCA panel “determined” anything regarding identifying the rifle in the backyard photos. Typical Mytton exaggeration.
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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #155 on: July 09, 2023, 05:39:15 AM »
Maybe Mr.Mytton can show a similar pattern of marks on the rifle butt in the BYP that match the rifle presented in WC exhibit photo?

Mr. Mytton in another thread was able to post a WC exhibit photo of the MC rifle butt side by side of a close up of a frame from Tom Aleyas film where the MC rifle Lt.Day has in hand has the rifle butt in view. There were (apparently) enough points of marks on the butt in the WC exhibit photo that corresponded to marks seen in Tom Aleyas film.

This resolved a question of whether the portion of rifle butt in the photo taken on 6th floor (in between boxes ) was in fact the butt of an MC rifle as opposed to some other kind of rifle.

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #156 on: July 10, 2023, 01:53:07 AM »
“Mytton”’s infamous imagination-driven yellow blob.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #157 on: July 15, 2023, 07:55:20 PM »
Marina confirmed from the very beginning that Oswald owned a rifle and stored it in the Paine's garage.

A rifle. Yes, that's how the story goes.... But as Ruth Paine did the translation, who knows for sure what she actually said.

In any event, she did not confirm Lee owned the MC rifle that was found at the TSBD. In fact, when she was shown the MC rifle on Friday evening she did not recognize it.

Nothing morphed in her WC testimony as you dishonestly suggest.  She made numerous specific references to a rifle in her testimony.

Of course it morphed from a rifle to the rifle.

Do you really think a scared young Russian woman with two small children and a dead husband accused of killing the President would, all by herself, come up with the idea that she, through inheritance was now the rightful owner of the rifle that was allegedly used to kill Kennedy and the revolver that was allegedly used to kill Tippit, and that she could sell them or at least her rights to them?

If the answer is yes, then Marina was a lot more shrewder than most people give her credit for.
If the answer is no, then there must have been somebody in the background putting this idea in her head.

So, let me give you the answer; On December 4, 1963, Dallas businessman John J. King, wrote a letter to Marina, who at that time was in protective custody, in which he asked her to contact him to discuss a business proposition that could benefit her thousands of dollars. The result was that in the months that followed several representatives for Marina (where did they come from?) negotiated with King until Marina herself got involved in July 1964. Untimately a deal was struck in December 1964.

In other words, in the months leading up to Marina's WC testimony this potential deal was being discussed in secret. But we are to believe that it did not potentially influence her testimony?

Marina confirmed from the very beginning that Oswald owned a rifle and stored it in the Paine's garage.

Yes, that's how the story goes.... But as Ruth Paine did the translation, who knows for sure what she actually said.

Ruth Paine spoke and understood Russian very well......  So why did she reply "NO" when the Detective asked Marina if Lee owned a rifle ?   Marina understood the detective's question and she replied to Ruth ( who was serving as interpreter ) that "YES" Lee did own a rifle.   WHY did Ruth lie?? 

As they were going back into the house Marina whispered to Ruth " Has your understanding of Russian suddenly failed you?  Why did you tell the detective no when I told you "yes" that Lee did own a rifle.


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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #158 on: July 15, 2023, 10:32:43 PM »
Marina confirmed from the very beginning that Oswald owned a rifle and stored it in the Paine's garage.

Yes, that's how the story goes.... But as Ruth Paine did the translation, who knows for sure what she actually said.

Ruth Paine spoke and understood Russian very well......  So why did she reply "NO" when the Detective asked Marina if Lee owned a rifle ?   Marina understood the detective's question and she replied to Ruth ( who was serving as interpreter ) that "YES" Lee did own a rifle.   WHY did Ruth lie?? 

As they were going back into the house Marina whispered to Ruth " Has your understanding of Russian suddenly failed you?  Why did you tell the detective no when I told you "yes" that Lee did own a rifle.

Who knows for sure?  Marina is still alive 60 years later and has never changed her story on the rifle. 

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #159 on: July 15, 2023, 11:41:21 PM »
Who knows for sure?  Marina is still alive 60 years later and has never changed her story on the rifle.

She just no longer thinks that Lee killed Kennedy and just wants all the facts out.

Btw, where would she go to "change her story on the rifle"? Is there an office somewhere that deals with this stuff?

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Re: Did Marina have a reason to claim the MC rifle belonged to Lee?
« Reply #159 on: July 15, 2023, 11:41:21 PM »