The Walker Case

[Charles Collins]

Really? Where can we find his testimony to that effect?

Did I say anything about any testimony? There is an FBI report that you directed me to, CE 2010 if I remember correctly. This is what the WC asked for. It was their investigation.

[Jon Banks]

Again, Marina’s testimony is supported by the physical evidence. And the physical evidence is supported by Marina’s testimony. Together they most definitely connect LHO to the crime. A jury would have to consider all of the evidence. This would be to help insure a fair trial. If we want to give the case a fair shake, we should keep this in mind when forming opinions.

By "physical evidence", do you mean the rifle and bullet? The evidence around bullet in the Walker case is inconclusive and of course, no one saw Oswald with a rifle at the crime scene.

Marina's claim that Lee tried to kill Nixon also lacked corroborating evidence. Because of that and other inconsistencies, any Defense attorney would've been able to shoot holes in her testimony (if she were allowed to testify against her husband).

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The bullet used in the attempted shooting of Walker was probably not the same type as those used in the JFK assassination. According to various newspaper accounts (e.g. ‘Walker Escapes Assassin’s Bullet’, New York Times, 12 April 1963, p.12), the Dallas police claimed that the bullet was a 30.06 calibre; the bullet shells from the Texas School Book Depository were 6.5mm. The Walker bullet was too severely deformed to allow a conclusive analysis of its pattern of grooves. A spectrographic examination by Henry Heilberger of the FBI laboratory found that the lead alloy in the bullet was different from that of bullet fragments found in President Kennedy’s car (FBI HQ JFK Assassination File, 62–109060–22).

The Walker bullet had been fired from a rifle powerful enough to send it through brickwork, which the Mannlicher–Carcano rifle was not. There is no evidence that Oswald ever had access to such a rifle.

Not only did the bullet and rifle have no association with Lee Harvey Oswald, but Edwin Walker was adamant that Commission Exhibit 573, the bullet offered in evidence, was not the one he had examined at the time of the shooting; see Justice Department Criminal Division File 62–117290–1473 for Walker’s correspondence with the Justice Department on this matter.

http://22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-oswald-shoot-general-edwin-walker

[Charles Collins]

By "physical evidence", do you mean the rifle and bullet? The evidence around bullet in the Walker case is inconclusive and of course, no one saw Oswald with a rifle at the crime scene.

Marina's claim that Lee tried to kill Nixon also lacked corroborating evidence. Because of that and other inconsistencies, any Defense attorney would've been able to shoot holes in her testimony (if she were allowed to testify against her husband).

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The bullet used in the attempted shooting of Walker was probably not the same type as those used in the JFK assassination. According to various newspaper accounts (e.g. ‘Walker Escapes Assassin’s Bullet’, New York Times, 12 April 1963, p.12), the Dallas police claimed that the bullet was a 30.06 calibre; the bullet shells from the Texas School Book Depository were 6.5mm. The Walker bullet was too severely deformed to allow a conclusive analysis of its pattern of grooves. A spectrographic examination by Henry Heilberger of the FBI laboratory found that the lead alloy in the bullet was different from that of bullet fragments found in President Kennedy’s car (FBI HQ JFK Assassination File, 62–109060–22).

The Walker bullet had been fired from a rifle powerful enough to send it through brickwork, which the Mannlicher–Carcano rifle was not. There is no evidence that Oswald ever had access to such a rifle.

Not only did the bullet and rifle have no association with Lee Harvey Oswald, but Edwin Walker was adamant that Commission Exhibit 573, the bullet offered in evidence, was not the one he had examined at the time of the shooting; see Justice Department Criminal Division File 62–117290–1473 for Walker’s correspondence with the Justice Department on this matter.

http://22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-oswald-shoot-general-edwin-walker

The physical evidence includes the note that experts testified that LHO wrote, the Walker bullet which the experts testified is a Carcano 6.5 mm very close in composition to the bullet found in the rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD, and the photos that the experts testified were taken by the same camera that took the backyard photos. These are all evidence that supports Marina’s testimony (which is also evidence).

Do you have any specifications of the construction of the wall that the bullet penetrated? The Carcano bullets in question have been demonstrated to penetrate ~36” of solid pine. How thick and specifically what material is the Walker wall made of. The photos of that wall that I have seen appear to be plaster.

This is another example of the naysayers apparently accepting information without authentication. Yet they submit (based on nothing but lame excuses and speculation) that the evidence against LHO wasn’t properly authenticated. 

[Jon Banks]

The physical evidence includes the note that experts testified that LHO wrote,

There’s no proof that Oswald wrote the undated letter and it’s not physical or crime scene evidence.

the Walker bullet which the experts testified is a Carcano 6.5 mm very close in composition to the bullet found in the rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD

There’s no conclusive evidence linking the Walker bullet to the JFK assassination bullets. Dr. Guinn, the HSCA’s expert, used bad/outdated methodology to draw his conclusions and his findings are widely rejected today.

https://www.deseret.com/2007/5/19/20019593/doubt-cast-on-lone-jfk-killer-theory

This is another example of the naysayers apparently accepting information without authentication.

No. It’s another example of you grasping at straws.

There’s no proof that Oswald shot at Walker. He wouldn’t have been convicted by a jury based on the available evidence…

[Richard Smith]

There’s no proof that Oswald wrote the undated letter and it’s not physical or crime scene evidence.

There’s no conclusive evidence linking the Walker bullet to the JFK assassination bullets. Dr. Guinn, the HSCA’s expert, used bad/outdated methodology to draw his conclusions and his findings are widely rejected today.

https://www.deseret.com/2007/5/19/20019593/doubt-cast-on-lone-jfk-killer-theory


No. It’s another example of you grasping at straws.

There’s no proof that Oswald shot at Walker. He wouldn’t have been convicted by a jury based on the available evidence…

There is no proof that Oswald wrote the letter?  It was found among his possessions.  His own wife confirms that he left it for her.  She also confirms that he confessed to trying to shoot Walker.  I'm not exactly sure why that is not evidence.   Who do you think could have written that letter in Russian under the circumstances of its discovery?

[Charles Collins]

There’s no proof that Oswald wrote the undated letter and it’s not physical or crime scene evidence.

There’s no conclusive evidence linking the Walker bullet to the JFK assassination bullets. Dr. Guinn, the HSCA’s expert, used bad/outdated methodology to draw his conclusions and his findings are widely rejected today.

https://www.deseret.com/2007/5/19/20019593/doubt-cast-on-lone-jfk-killer-theory


No. It’s another example of you grasping at straws.

There’s no proof that Oswald shot at Walker. He wouldn’t have been convicted by a jury based on the available evidence…

There is convincing evidence that LHO wrote the note. Marina’s testimony and the handwriting experts. Proof is something that is in the mind and may be different for different people. Someone who is biased will try to find any old lame excuse for not believe something is true. Here is a snip from the U.S. fifth circuit jury instructions:

It is also your duty to base your verdict solely upon the evidence, without prejudice or sympathy. That was the promise you made and the oath you took before being accepted by the parties as jurors, and they have the right to expect nothing less.

I think that we should keep this in mind when we are forming our opinions as to what happened.


There’s no conclusive evidence linking the Walker bullet to the JFK assassination bullets. Dr. Guinn, the HSCA’s expert, used bad/outdated methodology to draw his conclusions and his findings are widely rejected today

When one considers all of the evidence, and each piece supports each other piece, the inference that LHO took a shot at Walker is the only reasonable conclusion. Here’s another snip from the jury instructions:

There are two kinds of evidence: direct and circumstantial. Direct evidence is direct proof of a fact, such as testimony of an eyewitness. Circumstantial evi- dence is proof of facts from which you may infer or conclude that other facts exist. I will give you further instructions on these as well as other matters at the end of the case, but keep in mind that you may consider both kinds of evidence.


There’s no proof that Oswald shot at Walker. He wouldn’t have been convicted by a jury based on the available evidence…

That’s your very biased opinion. Sorry but you would be very unlikely to serve on the jury based on your bias.

[John Mytton]

The physical evidence includes the note that experts testified that LHO wrote, the Walker bullet which the experts testified is a Carcano 6.5 mm very close in composition to the bullet found in the rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD, and the photos that the experts testified were taken by the same camera that took the backyard photos. These are all evidence that supports Marina’s testimony (which is also evidence).

Hi Charles, trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people is futile.

The conspiracy theorists or those who absurdly claim "show me where I said I was a conspiracy theorist" go all out to defend a person who defected to the enemy at the height of the Cold War and when rejected, hacked into his own wrist which caused massive blood loss and required stitches to repair, the same guy who in a letter to his brother Robert said he was willing to KILL any American, ANY American, the same guy who while in the marines shot himself in the elbow. He also hit his wife!

They want more evidence for this Walker assassination attempt but these same people claim Oswald is innocent of killing Tippit even though Oswald was positively identified either at the scene or moving away while fiddling with his gun?? There will never be enough evidence for the Hardcore conspiracy theorist.

Poor poor Oswald was surrounded by evidence linking him to three of the most infamous events in Dallas in 1963, like being in the building where Kennedy was shot, his fresh prints in the snipers nest, Oswald's rifle with Oswald's prints on the same floor, flight from the scene of the crime. Being positively identified at the Tippit crime scene, leaving exclusively matching shells to his revolver at the Tippit crime scene, being arrested with the same revolver and trying to kill more Police with the same revolver. Then just after Oswald purchased and received Oswald's rifle and was photographed with Oswald's rifle and just after Oswald wrote a note telling Marina what to do after Oswald committed a crime which could have Oswald himself killed and just after Oswald's camera took surveillance photos of Walkers house and possessing a map with Walkers house marked with a cross, then to top it off Oswald admitted to attempting to kill General Walker!!!

There couldn't possibly be any more incriminating evidence for each of these three vile disgusting acts but the afore mentioned conspiracy theorist's with a shrug of their shoulders say it couldn't possibly be Oswald because you know, reasons!

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

Hi Charles, trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people is futile.

The conspiracy theorists or those who absurdly claim "show me where I said I was a conspiracy theorist" go all out to defend a person who defected to the enemy at the height of the Cold War and when rejected, hacked into his own wrist which caused massive blood loss which required stitches to repair, the same guy who in a letter to his brother Robert said he was willing to KILL any American, ANY American, the same guy who while in the marines shot himself in the elbow. He also hit his wife!

They want more evidence for this Walker assassination attempt but these same people claim Oswald is innocent of killing Tippit even though Oswald was positively identified either at the scene or moving away while fiddling with his gun?? There will never be enough evidence for the Hardcore conspiracy theorist.

Poor poor Oswald was surrounded by evidence linking him to three of the most infamous events in Dallas in 1963, like being in the building where Kennedy was shot, his fresh prints in the snipers nest, Oswald's rifle with Oswald's prints on the same floor, flight from the scene of the crime. Being positively identified at the Tippit crime scene, leaving exclusively matching shells to his revolver at the Tippit crime scene, being arrested with the same revolver and trying to kill more Police with the same revolver. Then just after Oswald purchased and received Oswald's rifle and was photographed with Oswald's rifle and just after Oswald wrote a note telling Marina what to do after Oswald committed a crime which could have Oswald himself killed and just after Oswald's camera took surveillance photos of Walkers house and possessing a map with Walkers house marked with a cross, then to top it off Oswald admitted to attempting to kill General Walker!!!

There couldn't possibly be any more incriminating evidence for each of these three vile disgusting acts but the afore mentioned conspiracy theorist's with a shrug of their shoulders say it couldn't possibly be Oswald because you know, reasons!

JohnM