The Walker Case

[John Mytton]

We're supposed to be believe that the same guy who:

- brought a long paper bag to work
- successfully hit the President who was sitting in a moving car from a distance
- left his rifle at the crime scene

Also:
- traveled miles to Edwin Walker's home with a rifle without being seen by any witnesses
- shot at Walker but missed
- brought his rifle back home (traveled a few miles each way) without being seen by any witnesses


Help me make sense of the inconsistency. 

LHO very well MAY have attempted to kill Edwin Walker but the evidence implicating him in that crime is far from a slam dunk. In fact, there's really no evidence that directly connects Oswald to the Walker shooting.

Help me make sense of the inconsistency. 

Sure. But there's more commonalities than you think.

- brought a long paper bag to work
- traveled miles to Edwin Walker's home with a rifle without being seen by any witnesses

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

- successfully hit the President who was sitting in a moving car from a distance
- shot at Walker but missed

At both locations Oswald's first shot missed.

- left his rifle at the crime scene
- brought his rifle back home (traveled a few miles each way) without being seen by any witnesses

Do you have proof that Oswald took his rifle home from the Walker residence?
Marina who is the only witness we have, gave the superfluous information that Oswald did leave his rifle near to the Walker residence.

In fact, there's really no evidence that directly connects Oswald to the Walker shooting.

Amongst Oswald's possessions were multiple photos taken of Walkers house which were taken a month before the assassination attempt and were taken with the same camera that took Oswald's Neely street backyard photos.
The "Walker note" gave details to Marina on what to do after Oswald committed a deed that could lead to his imprisonment or death. Also the Neely street March rent was paid on the 2nd which is what was written in the note. The April rent was paid on the 2nd or 3rd.



An examination of certain construction work appearing in the background of this photograph revealed that the picture was taken between March 8 and 12, 1963, and most probably on either March 9 or March 10.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html





JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Sure. But there's more commonalities than you think.

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

At both locations Oswald's first shot missed.

Do you have proof that Oswald took his rifle home from the Walker residence?
Marina who is the only witness we have, gave the superfluous information that Oswald did leave his rifle near to the Walker residence.

Amongst Oswald's possessions were multiple photos taken of Walkers house which were taken a month before the assassination attempt and were taken with the same camera that took Oswald's Neely street backyard photos.
The "Walker note" gave details to Marina on what to do after Oswald committed a deed that could lead to his imprisonment or death. Also the Neely street March rent was paid on the 2nd which is what was written in the note. The April rent was paid on the 2nd or 3rd.



An examination of certain construction work appearing in the background of this photograph revealed that the picture was taken between March 8 and 12, 1963, and most probably on either March 9 or March 10.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html





JohnM

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

So, you agree that there is no evidence that puts C2766 in Oswald's hands at 12:30 on 11/22/63.... 

Amongst Oswald's possessions were multiple photos taken of Walkers house which were taken a month before the assassination attempt 

More "evidence" from Ruth Paine's garage..... the gift that keeps on giving

and were taken with the same camera that took Oswald's Neely street backyard photos.

You mean the camera that was completely missed during other searches and then found in Ruth Paine's garage, by Irving Police Detective John McCabe, on February 19, 1964?

Another example of evidence suddenly turning up when it is needed, much like the palmprint on Lt Day's evidence card....

[John Mytton]

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

So, you agree that there is no evidence that puts C2766 in Oswald's hands at 12:30 on 11/22/63.... 

Amongst Oswald's possessions were multiple photos taken of Walkers house which were taken a month before the assassination attempt 

More "evidence" from Ruth Paine's garage..... the gift that keeps on giving

and were taken with the same camera that took Oswald's Neely street backyard photos.

You mean the camera that was completely missed during other searches and then found in Ruth Paine's garage, by Irving Police Detective John McCabe, on February 19, 1964?

Another example of evidence suddenly turning up when it is needed, much like the palmprint on Lt Day's evidence card....

So, you agree that there is no evidence that puts C2766 in Oswald's hands at 12:30 on 11/22/63.... 

You've deliberately taken my comment out of context, I was answering a response clearly referring to the lead up.

You mean the camera that was completely missed during other searches and then found in Ruth Paine's garage, by Irving Police Detective John McCabe, on February 19, 1964?

How does that alter the fact that the exact same camera that took the Neely street backyard photos took the photos of Walkers house, eight months before the assassination??

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

You've deliberately taken my comment out of context, I was answering a response clearly referring to the lead up.

How does that alter the fact that the exact same camera that took the Neely street backyard photos took the photos of Walkers house, eight months before the assassination??

JohnM

You've deliberately taken my comment out of context, I was answering a response clearly referring to the lead up.

No, your reply leaves no room for misunderstanding;

- brought a long paper bag to work
- successfully hit the President who was sitting in a moving car from a distance

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

JohnM

He either was seen with a rifle or he wasn't

How does that alter the fact that the exact same camera that took the Neely street backyard photos took the photos of Walkers house, eight months before the assassination??

Good question. Marina didn't have a clue how that camera worked, which leaves open the possibility that somebody else used that camera to make the incriminating pictures and Marina did in fact only make one BY photo (as she said she did and now lost to history) with a different camera.

Is that speculation? Sure it is, but it would fit the known facts.

[John Mytton]

How does that alter the fact that the exact same camera that took the Neely street backyard photos took the photos of Walkers house, eight months before the assassination??

Good question. Marina didn't have a clue how that camera worked, which leaves open the possibility that somebody else used that camera to make the incriminating pictures and Marina did in fact only make one BY photo (as she said she did and now lost to history) with a different camera.

Is that speculation? Sure it is, but it would fit the known facts.

that somebody else used that camera to make the incriminating pictures

Both sets of photos taken respectively at the Walker residence and the Neely street backyard, were taken 8 months before as established by the construction work seen near the Walker house and the plant growth at Neely street, and since you are reduced to speculation could you kindly speculate how these two disparate events were simultaneously planned so far in advance?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Both sets of photos taken respectively at the Walker residence and the Neely street backyard, were taken 8 months before as established by the construction work seen near the Walker house and the plant growth at Neely street, and since you are reduced to speculation could you kindly speculate how these two disparate events were simultaneously planned so far in advance?

JohnM

What two events?

[Jon Banks]

He wasn't seen with a rifle at both events.

Good point.

Do you have proof that Oswald took his rifle home from the Walker residence?
Marina who is the only witness we have, gave the superfluous information that Oswald did leave his rifle near to the Walker residence.

The DeMorenschildts gave testimony about the rifle after the Walker incident that contradicted Marina's story. They claimed they saw Oswald's rifle in his home at the time when Marina said he hadn't gone back to Walker's neighborhood to retrieve it yet.

So someone lied or misremembered some details. It's impossible to know who forgot or lied but Marina got a number of details wrong in her testimonies on other issues so...

Amongst Oswald's possessions were multiple photos taken of Walkers house which were taken a month before the assassination attempt and were taken with the same camera that took Oswald's Neely street backyard photos.

Yeah, there's enough evidence to conclude that LHO had an interest in Walker. But that alone wouldn't have been enough to convict him for the crime.

The "Walker note" gave details to Marina on what to do after Oswald committed a deed that could lead to his imprisonment or death.

Mostly useless as evidence in the Walker incident for reasons that have already been addressed.

[John Mytton]

The DeMorenschildts gave testimony about the rifle after the Walker incident that contradicted Marina's story. They claimed they saw Oswald's rifle in his home at the time when Marina said he hadn't gone back to Walker's neighborhood to retrieve it yet.

So someone lied or misremembered some details. It's impossible to know who forgot or lied but Marina got a number of details wrong in her testimonies on other issues so...

Maybe no one lied because Saturday fits in with all the testimony!

Marina said Saturday or Sunday
George said Easter Sunday or the day before or after.
Mrs De Mohrenschildt said her best recollection was the Saturday.

Mr. LIEBELER. So that he actually took the rifle out of the house and took it away and hid it somewhere?
*Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mrs. OSWALD. No; the day Lee shot at Walker, he buried the rifle because when he came home and told me that he shot at General Walker and I asked him where the rifle was and he said he buried it.
Mr. LIEBELER. He shot at General Walker on April 10, which was on Wednesday.
*Mrs. OSWALD. Wednesday?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; it was on Wednesday.
Mrs. OSWALD. As I remember, it was the weekend--Saturday or Sunday when Lee brought the rifle back home.

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. And Jeanne told me that day, "Let's go and take a rabbit for Oswald's baby."
Mr. JENNER. This was on Easter Sunday?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Easter day. I don't remember it was Easter Sunday.
Mr. JENNER. Easter is always on Sunday.
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; maybe it was the day before, the day after, but I think it was on the holiday. Maybe my wife will remember the date exactly.

Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes; we saw them last time Easter, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. Now, something occurred in Easter, 1963 when you went to visit them?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was this Easter Sunday or the day after?
Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No, to my best recollection it was Saturday before Easter.

Mostly useless as evidence in the Walker incident for reasons that have already been addressed.

Just as a matter of interest what other possibilities do you believe were the reasons Oswald wrote that note?

JohnM