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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2018, 12:15:24 AM »
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How could Oswald pick the only 2 co-workers that just happened to pass the domino room within 5 minutes of the shots? Was he Nostradamus? Perhaps he knew he would be killed on the Sunday and it didn?t matter what he said.

He could see them standing in the street below and as they made their way towards the southeast corner of the building. Shortly after that, he could hear them below as they chatted at their open windows on the fifth floor. He knew that they would have passed the Domino room on their up.

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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2018, 12:16:05 AM »

There was no consistency in her statements. Saying that she might have caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing on the first floor at 12:25 is not the same as saying that she saw him in the second floor lunchroom at 12:15.  Even her statements made in 1978 are not consistent with one another.

I agree Tim. Who knows why her story is different and what motivated the change. Best ignore it. If accurate, her initial story is far more damaging anyway.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2018, 12:16:19 AM »

There was no consistency in her statements. Saying that she might have caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald standing on the first floor at 12:25 is not the same as saying that she saw him in the second floor lunchroom at 12:15.  Even her statements made in 1978 are not consistent with one another.

Inconsitent would be to deny seeing Oswald in one interview and claiming having seen him in another interview. You are playing word games again, Tim. What the FBI agent wrote in his report is not automatically what she really said.

Brennan's statements are not consistent with one another, so why do you believe him?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2018, 12:21:09 AM »

He could see them standing in the street below and as they made their way towards the southeast corner of the building. Shortly after that, he could hear them below as they chatted at their open windows on the fifth floor. He knew that they would have passed the Domino room on their up.


Pure speculation. You can't even prove that Norman and Jarman could be seen standing in the street from the 6th floor window and there most certainly is no possibility to see them walk down Houston street. There is also no way he could have known for sure they entered the building at the back.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2018, 12:24:07 AM »
He could see them standing in the street below and as they made their way towards the southeast corner of the building. Shortly after that, he could hear them below as they chatted at their open windows on the fifth floor. He knew that they would have passed the Domino room on their up.

At some stage he could have seen Norman, Jarman and Givens leave from the western side of the front stepsin a south easterly direction and then Norman and Jarman return towards the building. Given this was about the time someone might expect the President and that an ambulance had arrived (with sirens?) near the corner their movements might not be foremost in his attention. Which window would he be looking out to see them walk along the eastern side of the building? What angle would be required to see them? Can we use SN photos to get an indication whether your hypothesis is viable

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2018, 12:24:15 AM »
Inconsitent would be to deny seeing Oswald in one interview and claiming having seen him in another interview. You are playing word games again, Tim. What the FBI agent wrote in his report is not automatically what she really said.

Brennan's statements are not consistent with one another, so why do you believe him?

I've said before that I personally believe Brennan but I do not use him because the inconsistency of his statements do give validity to those who discount him.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #62 on: March 10, 2018, 12:27:39 AM »
At some stage he could have seen Norman, Jarman and Givens leave from the western side of the front stepsin a south easterly direction and then Norman and Jarman return towards the building. Given this was about the time someone might expect the President and that an ambulance had arrived (with sirens?) near the corner their movements might not be foremost in his attention. Which window would he be looking out to see them walk along the eastern side of the building? What angle would be required to see them? Can we use SN photos to get an indication whether your hypothesis is viable

He wouldn't have needed to see them walking along the East side of the building. He could see from their angle of approach that they were not headed for the front entrance. Therefore, when he heard them below on the fifth floor he knew that they had entered the building from the rear.

Use Google street.

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Re: Who do you believe?
« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2018, 12:35:42 AM »
At some stage he could have seen Norman, Jarman and Givens leave from the western side of the front stepsin a south easterly direction and then Norman and Jarman return towards the building. Given this was about the time someone might expect the President and that an ambulance had arrived (with sirens?) near the corner their movements might not be foremost in his attention. Which window would he be looking out to see them walk along the eastern side of the building? What angle would be required to see them? Can we use SN photos to get an indication whether your hypothesis is viable

Norman and Jarman were not on the front steps. They were on the sidewalk of Elm.

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« Reply #63 on: March 10, 2018, 12:35:42 AM »