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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2023, 09:14:34 PM »
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I've already explained this to you.  I didn't have to personally know Oswald as you stupidly suggest to formulate reasoned conjecture as to his personality.  There WERE many people who knew and left accounts of Oswald.  Many people testified about him including his personality.  Many competent historians and law enforcement investigators have analyzed him and written books on the topic.  I've explained to you as to a small child that there can be reasoned conjecture as to Oswald's state of mind based upon the large volume exiting information.  Instead of addressing that issue, you took the thread down the contrarian rabbit hole that nothing could be known about Oswald's state of mind because I didn't meet him personally.  It goes beyond just that, however.  You apply this same idiot logic to the determination as to whether Oswald was the assassin.  Suggesting the evidence is dubious for similar reason.  Thus, no fact can ever proven that lends itself to Oswald's guilt no matter how well supported in your contrarian fantasy world while every manner of baseless alternatives can be entertained if it suggests doubt.

I didn't have to personally know Oswald as you stupidly suggest to formulate reasoned conjecture as to his personality.

A great example of a complete fool considering his opinion to be reasonable.  Thumb1:

Let's go back to your initial post;

Oswald entertained a delusional fantasy that he could become someone of importance in the Soviet Union.  He likely blamed American society for his invisible presence.   He held out hope that things would be different in the USSR.  When that didn't work out, he became embittered and disillusioned.

There is no indication this is conjecture on your part. You just state this BS as if it is fact.

there can be reasoned conjecture as to Oswald's state of mind based upon the large volume exiting information.

Sure, as long as that "large volume of information" is verifiable. If it isn't, you are just making up stuff in accordance with your bias.

People can give you all their opinions about an individual's state of mind, but you will never know if it is true or not. When you, nevertheless, accept their opinions as true and use it as basis for your so-called "reasonable conjecture" all you are doing is showing us all just how low your bar is, if it exists at all.

I'll say it again; you have no idea whatsoever about what Oswald's state of mind was some 60 + years ago. Period!

You apply this same idiot logic to the determination as to whether Oswald was the assassin.  Suggesting the evidence is dubious for similar reason.

Nope. I only say that evidence is dubious if and when there is a good reason for saying that. It's not my fault or problem that the WC produced a massive number of claims that are simply not supported by the evidence. When there is no chain of custody, the evidence can not be authenticated. You may not like it but that's how it works in the real world.

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2023, 09:14:34 PM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2023, 12:11:50 AM »
I didn't have to personally know Oswald as you stupidly suggest to formulate reasoned conjecture as to his personality.

A great example of a complete fool considering his opinion to be reasonable.  Thumb1:

Let's go back to your initial post;

There is no indication this is conjecture on your part. You just state this BS as if it is fact.



This has been explained to you.  When discussing someone's state of mind it is not necessary to provide a disclaimer that it contains conjecture.  Reasonably intelligent people understand this. Once you displayed ignorance of this obvious point it was explained.  By necessity, only Oswald could ever know his state of mind with absolute certainty.  That does not, however, preclude reasoned conjecture.  We have a mountain of books and testimony about him in which to form our conjecture.  In contrast, you stupidly implied that we could know nothing about his state of mind (or presumably anyone else in history) absent a time machine to meet him in person.  Therefore, you concluded that a discussion regarding Oswald's state of mind was pointless.  The idiocy of that logic is breathtaking even considering the source.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2023, 01:28:40 PM by Richard Smith »

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2023, 12:31:54 AM »
This has been explained to you.  When discussing someone's state of mind it is not necessary to provide a disclaimer that it contains conjecture.  Reasonably intelligent people understand this. Once you displayed ignorance of this obvious point it was explained.  By necessity, only Oswald could ever know his state of mind with absolute certainty.  That does not, however, preclude reasoned conjecture.  We have a mountain of books and testimony about him in which to form our conjecture.  In contrast, you stupidly implied that we could know nothing about his state of mind (or presumably anyone else in history) absent a time machine to meet him in person.  Therefore, your concluded that a discussion regarding Oswald's state of mind was pointless.  The idiocy of that logic is breathtaking even considering the source.

By necessity, only Oswald could ever know his state of mind with absolute certainty. 

Indeed, so why do you present your opinion as fact and refuse to even accept that you could be wrong?

That does not, however, preclude reasoned conjecture.

Your so-called "reasoned conjecture" is really making stuff up without any supporting evidence

We have a mountain of books and testimony about him in which to form our conjecture.

Books written by people who are merely giving their opinion.....

In contrast, you stupidly implied that we could know nothing about his state of mind (or presumably anyone else in history) absent a time machine to meet him in person.

I have implied no such thing. In fact, even if you did meet the individual in person, you still can only speculate and guess about his or her state of mind. How often have you seen interviews with people saying that they knew somebody for a long time and they never expected he/she would be capable of doing something criminal. Bottom line; you don't even know what your own wife (if you have one) is really thinking!

Therefore, your concluded that a discussion regarding Oswald's state of mind was pointless.

Of course it is. A speculative discussion about somebody's state of mind is a complete waste of time. I gave up trying to understand what people are thinking a long time ago.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2023, 06:18:20 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2023, 01:27:49 PM »
By necessity, only Oswald could ever know his state of mind with absolute certainty. 

Indeed, so why do you present your opinion as fact and refuse to even accept that you could be wrong?

That does not, however, preclude reasoned conjecture.

Your so-called "reasoned conjecture" is really making stuff up without any supporting evidence

We have a mountain of books and testimony about him in which to form our conjecture.

Books written by people who are merely giving their opinion.....

In contrast, you stupidly implied that we could know nothing about his state of mind (or presumably anyone else in history) absent a time machine to meet him in person.

I have implied no such thing. In fact, even if you did meet the individual in person, you still can only speculate and guess about his or her state of mind. How often have you seen interviews with people saying that they knew somebody for a long time and they never expected he/she would be capable of doing something criminal. Bottom line; you don't even know what your own wife (if you have one) is really thinking!

Therefore, your concluded that a discussion regarding Oswald's state of mind was pointless.

Of course it is. A speculative discussion about somebody's state of mind is a complete waste of time. I gave up trying to understand what people are thinking a long time ago.

Here we have an outstanding explanation of the endless circle of contrarian lunacy.  No fact that the contrarian doesn't want to accept can ever be proven no matter the amount of supporting evidence. In contrast, no alternative explanation can ever be disproven to the subjective satisfaction of the contrarian no matter how baseless or absurd.  Round and round it goes down the contrarian rabbit hole.  Every single thread is derailed by this nonsense.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2023, 01:41:31 PM »
Here we have an outstanding explanation of the endless circle of contrarian lunacy.  No fact that the contrarian doesn't want to accept can ever be proven no matter the amount of supporting evidence. In contrast, no alternative explanation can ever be disproven to the subjective satisfaction of the contrarian no matter how baseless or absurd.  Round and round it goes down the contrarian rabbit hole.  Every single thread is derailed by this nonsense.

When you have anything of significance or interest to say, you will let me know, won't you?

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2023, 03:09:45 PM »
When you have anything of significance or interest to say, you will let me know, won't you?

LOL.   :'(

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2023, 03:23:46 PM »
And will "Richard" ever learn that a list of unsubstantiated claims does not constitute "supporting evidence", nor does making up fanciful speculative stories?

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2023, 03:31:55 PM »
 The contrarian brothers after being disabused on their nonsense:   :'( :'(

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Re: They taught me how to kill, and I liked it.
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2023, 03:31:55 PM »