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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2023, 12:40:54 AM »
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Laughable.  You claimed that Day didn't "report" the finding of Oswald's print for a week AND that somehow proves that he must have fabricated the print. 

Strawman “Smith” strikes again. Martin made no such claim.

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Can you demonstrate to us that Day's conduct, even as you have characterized it without knowing the facts, was outside the normal investigative process of the DPD in 1963?

Day was instructed to turn ALL the evidence over to the FBI that night, was he not?

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Re: A question about Oswald
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2023, 01:25:55 AM »
Strawman “Smith” strikes again. Martin made no such claim.

Day was instructed to turn ALL the evidence over to the FBI that night, was he not?

Carl Day “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 238:

Around 11:30 that night I received orders which merely said, “Release the rifle to the FBI.” Shortly thereafter I handed it over to Vince Drain of the FBI.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2023, 01:30:14 AM »
Carl Day “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 238:

Around 11:30 that night I received orders which merely said, “Release the rifle to the FBI.” Shortly thereafter I handed it over to Vince Drain of the FBI.

That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

But even if that was true, he had already lifted the print from the rifle, right? So, why not check it against Oswald's prints instead of putting it in his desk drawer for several days?
It makes no sense.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2023, 01:46:29 AM »
That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

It would seem Mr. Collins gives credence to some morphing memories after all!

Online Charles Collins

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2023, 02:04:57 AM »
That's not what he said in his WC testimony. Why you would want to ignore testimony under oath and go with a quote in a book is beyond me.

But even if that was true, he had already lifted the print from the rifle, right? So, why not check it against Oswald's prints instead of putting it in his desk drawer for several days?
It makes no sense.


Same page as the above quote from “No More Silence” the paragraph just before that quote:

Before I got the picture made, another message came in: “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” It must have been 9:00 o’clock or later. “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” This came through my captain, Captain Doughty, but it probably came to him from Deputy Chief Lumpkin. So we didn’t complete what we were trying to do. I’d have probably been working on it all night if I’d had the time.



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Online Richard Smith

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2023, 02:14:05 AM »
Answer the question I asked. Here it is again;

Day claimed to have lifted the print on 11/22/63 and did not present it to anybody until 11/26/63. If he didn't forget to report the print, are you claiming he kept it back on purpose?



Whew.  So now it is not a week but four whole days!  I'm not claiming he kept it back on purpose or that he kept it back at all (whatever that means).  Kept it back from who?  He may very well have mentioned it to someone, but it was not documented.  He may have been busy under the circumstances.  It takes months for DNA results to be returned in modern investigations.  Does that mean the delay means the result must be faked?  You have no clue whatsoever what Day did or said with print.  BUT even if he didn't mention it to anyone for several days, that does not mean he faked the print.  That is insane.   There was an ongoing investigation.  The DPD detectives were collecting evidence.  The "reporting" part was ongoing.  If it took a few days to gather all the evidence that would be understandable.  To suggest it must mean that he fabricated the print is complete lunacy.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2023, 02:20:35 AM »

Same page as the above quote from “No More Silence” the paragraph just before that quote:

Before I got the picture made, another message came in: “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” It must have been 9:00 o’clock or later. “Drop everything! Don’t do anything else!” This came through my captain, Captain Doughty, but it probably came to him from Deputy Chief Lumpkin. So we didn’t complete what we were trying to do. I’d have probably been working on it all night if I’d had the time.

More morphing memories....

It still doesn't make any sense. What picture is he talking about? And even if he is told to "drop everything", how would that be enough to discontinue an examination of a print he allegedly found on the rifle. He was told to turn over all the evidence to the FBI, that same night, but according to his WC testimony he did not follow that instruction and held back the evidence card with the print.

Apart for anything else, as a forensic officer he must have understood the significance of a print found on the alleged murder weapon, yet he does nothing and keeps it in his desk drawer for days.... really?

 

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2023, 02:32:43 AM »

More morphing memories....

It still doesn't make any sense. What picture is he talking about? And even if he is told to "drop everything", how would that be enough to discontinue an examination of a print he allegedly found on the rifle. He was told to turn over all the evidence to the FBI, that same night, but according to his WC testimony he did not follow that instruction and held back the evidence card with the print.

Apart for anything else, as a forensic officer he must have understood the significance of a print found on the alleged murder weapon, yet he does nothing and keeps it in his desk drawer for days.... really?


The words in “No More Silence” are Carl Day’s words. Not Larry Sneed’s or anyone else’s. You made a claim that Day was told to turn over all the evidence. Who do you think told him that? And cite your source.

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Re: A question about Oswald
« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2023, 02:32:43 AM »