Hi Dan, I guess I was not clear, sorry! I am saying that the Calvery encounter did not happen, the looking at Marrion Baker did not happen; the encounter inside of the TSBD with Vicki Adams and Sandra Styles did not happen; the claim that it took three minutes to leave the steps did not happen, etc. Testimonies are full of errors and manipulation; pictures override these! Thank you for your participation in this fascinating topic! Sincerely yours, Michael
Hi Michael, in my opinion there can be little doubt the encounter with Calvery took place. That she came up to the steps in an almost hysterical state is confirmed by multiple people:
Frazier - "Yes, sir; right before I went back, some girl who had walked down a little bit further where I was standing on the steps, and somebody come back and said somebody had shot President Kennedy...She didn't tell me right directly but she just came back and more or less in a low kind of hollering she just told several people."Mr. Ball: Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. Molina: Yes.
Mr. Ball: Did Gloria come up?
Ms.. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.
Mr. Ball: What did she say?
Mr. MOLINA. She said "Oh, my God, Joe, he's been shot." They were both horrified. I said "Are you sure he was shot?" She said "Oh, Joe ,I'm sure. I saw his hair fly up and I'm sure he was shot" something to that extent.
There is no doubt Calvery came running up to the steps in a very upset state telling people the President was shot.
It is interesting to note that Officer Baker observes the following as he approaches the TSBD building steps:
Baker - ...there was a woman standing--well, all these people were running, and there was a woman screaming, "Oh, they have shot that man, they have shot that man."
This might be a reference to Calvery who, I believe, raced back to the TSBD building as soon as she saw the headshot and was at the steps before Baker arrived. If this is the case she would've also crossed paths with officer Joe Marshall Smith, who is believed to be the officer at the far end of the Elm Street extension in the Darnell/Couch clip. He reports:
Smith - Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.
Both Smith and Baker appear to be reporting a very upset female who was an eye-witness to the shooting, meaning she had very quickly moved from a position further down on Elm Street back to the area immediately in front of the TSBD building. So, when Shelley reports, within two hours of the assassination:
"...I heard what sounded like three shots...I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. This girls name is Gloria Calvery...I went back to the building and went inside and called my wife..."
There is little reason to doubt this.
Obviously, this is a massive problem for the identification yourself and Brian are trying to propose. Your initial attempts to show the "Gloria encounter" were thwarted so you've simply ditched the whole thing as you know how problematic it is for your identification. From fully acknowledging the encounter happened and a failed attempt to demonstrate it, to now taking the stand it never happened. And all within the space of a few short posts.
That's the kind of flexibility many yoga gurus would be proud of.
At least you've not taken Brian's road, who appears to be doubling-down on his insane suggestion that the woman who races straight past the two men within a fraction of a second has, somehow, stopped for a chat.
What's funny is the clip he posted to show this "interaction" in slow motion actually shows "Shelley" looking away from the girl as she streaks past and that "Lovelady" is stood in between the girl and "Shelley" for the nano-second this interaction is supposed to have taken place.
But, like you, his mind is made up and no amount of evidence is going to change that.
That said, I do believe both Shelley and Lovelady are liars but there is a pattern to their lying which doesn't involve the reality of the encounter with Calvery. And why these two so-called ordinary workmen should be lying to the authorities from day one is another subject altogether.
