WFAA’s Film of the Motorcade Run to Parkland Hospital Stabilized

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Thanks for that info. Would the scenario described by Charles above post fit Courson's description?

You're welcome; it's an interesting thread/film. Not seen it before.

Yeah, looks like Charles has it right. I don't see another railroad track/incline along the way. It seems that the limo/QM stopped or slowed to let the others catch up? I don't recall anyone, e.g., Greer et al., mentioning this.

Bill Lumpkin, another officer, gave this account: "Leon Gray, Chaney and myself escorted the parade on to Parkland Hospital by way of Stemmons, to Industrial, Industrial to Hines, Hines to the entrance into the back of Parkland."

[James Hackerott]

I found a video that has an aerial view. I had to use a PC because it inexplicably doesn’t display the image on my iPad. Look between about 4:55 to 5:05 and you should see the view span between the Trade Mart and Industrial Blvd and Market Hall. The railroad crossing and intersection with Harry Hines is at the top of the image if I am looking at this correctly. Looking at your work on the motorcade run, I seem to see the JFK limo headed to the left towards Parkland. I see this just before the animated GIF reverses and the vehicles begin to “back up”.


https://www.google.com/search?q=dallas+trade+mart+1963&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjHtKX-2OuAAxW7hIkEHauXDlEQ2-cCegQIABAD&oq=dallas+trade1963&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgYIABAHEB4yBQgAEKIEOgQIIxAnOgcIIxCwAhAnOgQIHhAKOggIABAIEB4QDVCed1iQlQFgoLgBaAFwAHgAgAFjiAHXBJIBATeYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=X0TiZIeJG7uJptQPq6-6iAU&bih=695&biw=1080&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS922US923&hl=en-US#imgrc=PdWql9qc3J2QQM

Thanks for the link. That video, along with Jerry’s post showing the parking area around the Trade Mart NW side, indicates a clear view of the Harry Hines/Industrial intersection as in the WFAA film. I realize now that intersection is correct and not near Parkland. The identification of those buildings on the right are not important to me now.

I’m not seeing any part of the group moving to the left. Are you seeing the JFK limo heading left in this shortened clip without the ping-pong effect?

 

[James Hackerott]

You're welcome; it's an interesting thread/film. Not seen it before.

Yeah, looks like Charles has it right. I don't see another railroad track/incline along the way. It seems that the limo/QM stopped or slowed to let the others catch up? I don't recall anyone, e.g., Greer et al., mentioning this.

Bill Lumpkin, another officer, gave this account: "Leon Gray, Chaney and myself escorted the parade on to Parkland Hospital by way of Stemmons, to Industrial, Industrial to Hines, Hines to the entrance into the back of Parkland."

I'm in full agreement with the location of the Harry Hines/Industrial Blvd. intersection. I wonder why the group turned to the right away from Parkland. Speculation--- Was Greer just lost? If Greer hit the tracks hard like the LBJ cars maybe the limo occupants (including Clint Hlll) needed a little help. I'm not aware of this event discussed in any testimony.
 

[Charles Collins]

Thanks for the link. That video, along with Jerry’s post showing the parking area around the Trade Mart NW side, indicates a clear view of the Harry Hines/Industrial intersection as in the WFAA film. I realize now that intersection is correct and not near Parkland. The identification of those buildings on the right are not important to me now.

I’m not seeing any part of the group moving to the left. Are you seeing the JFK limo heading left in this shortened clip without the ping-pong effect?

 

It could just be my imagination based on what I would expect to see. But, I do see some movement going to the left in the shortened segment. It appears to me to perhaps just be a white police officer helmet that is ahead of the JFK limo. I see things better on my iPad screen. I think it is an OLED type screen. Look in the area where I drew a yellow circle. You have to be looking between the vehicles that are going to the right because they are between the camera and the movement that I see. Also, I drew the outline (in blue) of what looks to me to possibly be the shape of Parkland Hospital in the distance. If that is actually Parkland, that would be the direction of travel of the vehicles after they cleared the RR tracks and intersection at Hines.




Here is a photo that shows a similar shape to the blue one that I drew:

[James Hackerott]

It could just be my imagination based on what I would expect to see. But, I do see some movement going to the left in the shortened segment. It appears to me to perhaps just be a white police officer helmet that is ahead of the JFK limo. I see things better on my iPad screen. I think it is an OLED type screen. Look in the area where I drew a yellow circle. You have to be looking between the vehicles that are going to the right because they are between the camera and the movement that I see. Also, I drew the outline (in blue) of what looks to me to possibly be the shape of Parkland Hospital in the distance. If that is actually Parkland, that would be the direction of travel of the vehicles after they cleared the RR tracks and intersection at Hines.





 

Here is a photo that shows a similar shape to the blue one that I drew:

I'm sorry I can't see that motion. But, during the creation of the animation I did see at least one motorcycle cop at the rear of the driver's side of LBJ's car. I lost track of him so maybe him. I'm attaching a 100 frame stack (average) of the full frames that give a little better view of the "Parkland" object. Maybe more of a shed, much closer.

[Charles Collins]

I'm sorry I can't see that motion. But, during the creation of the animation I did see at least one motorcycle cop at the rear of the driver's side of LBJ's car. I lost track of him so maybe him. I'm attaching a 100 frame stack (average) of the full frames that give a little better view of the "Parkland" object. Maybe more of a shed, much closer.

Thanks for the stacked image. I agree with you regarding the Parkland shape. I will have to revise my thinking and let you know if I see anything else.

[Steve Barber]

  I do not believe that the motorcade turned right.  I think they disappeared from sight once they went over the railroad tracks at the top of the hill, and turned left just as J.W. Courson mentioned to Larry Sneed, as published in "No More Silence". Here is a 1968 aerial photo of Stemmons, showing Parkland, the Trade Mart, the railroad crossing which we see the LBJ car and his SS car along with several motorcycles drive over so fast that the wheels left the ground according to some of the occupants in the film, the TSBD in top right of photograph, and where the limousine was located, having just exited Stemmons Freeway, and in front of an underpass(Circled in redon the photograpgh) and about to make a right turn. 

[Steve Barber]

 Here's the same aerial photograph without markings and photograph overlay: