RIP to the Single-bullet theory?

[Jon Banks]

Having read Clint Hill’s three books, I know Hill and Landis are friends. I haven’t seen the email from 2014 that you have cited a couple of times. But I do know that Clint Hill is very much a gentleman who wouldn’t be unduly critical of his friends. I was a little surprised to see him be as critical of Landis’ outlandish story as he was in The NY Times article. It is what Hill said (without really saying it) that tells us the story is full of holes. I have pointed out a few of the holes. There are others.

Hill didn't say what you're saying. You're putting words into his mouth.

All he said is that what Landis is saying now is inconsistent with his official statements from 1963. Which is important to keep in mind but doesn't prove that Landis isn't telling the truth (as he remembers it).

From the NY Times article (again):

It was not until 2014 that he realized that the official account of the bullet differed from his memory, he said, but he did not come forward then out of a feeling that he had made a mistake in putting it on the stretcher without telling anyone in that pre-C.S.I., secure-the-crime-scene era.

“I didn’t want to talk about it,” Mr. Landis said. “I was afraid. I started to think, did I do something wrong? There was a fear that I might have done something wrong and I shouldn’t talk about it.”

Indeed, his partner, Clint Hill, the legendary Secret Service agent who clambered onto the back of the speeding limousine in a futile effort to save Kennedy, discouraged Mr. Landis from speaking out. “Many ramifications,” Mr. Hill warned in a 2014 email that Mr. Landis saved and shared last month.

Mr. Hill, who has set out his own account of what happened in multiple books and interviews, cast doubt on Mr. Landis’s version on Friday. “I believe it raises concerns when the story he is telling now, 60 years after the fact, is different than the statements he wrote in the days following the tragedy” and told in subsequent years, Mr. Hill said in an email. “In my mind, there are serious inconsistencies in his various statements/stories.”

[Jim Hawthorn]

At best, Landis' account would explains how CE399 got from the car to a stretcher.  But not JFK's stretcher.

No Secret Service agent would put a bullet on a stretcher.

[Charles Collins]

Hill didn't say what you're saying. You're putting words into his mouth.

All he said is that what Landis is saying now is inconsistent with his official statements from 1963. Which is important to keep in mind but doesn't prove that Landis isn't telling the truth (as he remembers it).

From the NY Times article (again):

It was not until 2014 that he realized that the official account of the bullet differed from his memory, he said, but he did not come forward then out of a feeling that he had made a mistake in putting it on the stretcher without telling anyone in that pre-C.S.I., secure-the-crime-scene era.

“I didn’t want to talk about it,” Mr. Landis said. “I was afraid. I started to think, did I do something wrong? There was a fear that I might have done something wrong and I shouldn’t talk about it.”

Indeed, his partner, Clint Hill, the legendary Secret Service agent who clambered onto the back of the speeding limousine in a futile effort to save Kennedy, discouraged Mr. Landis from speaking out. “Many ramifications,” Mr. Hill warned in a 2014 email that Mr. Landis saved and shared last month.

Mr. Hill, who has set out his own account of what happened in multiple books and interviews, cast doubt on Mr. Landis’s version on Friday. “I believe it raises concerns when the story he is telling now, 60 years after the fact, is different than the statements he wrote in the days following the tragedy” and told in subsequent years, Mr. Hill said in an email. “In my mind, there are serious inconsistencies in his various statements/stories.”

LOL, so you can “read between the lines” and tell us what the nurse “really meant” when she said the throat wound was an exit wound. And then you pretend that all Clint Hill said is that there were inconsistencies. People with Clint Hill’s background and experience tend to choose their words very carefully. And his were reportedly in an email in which we might expect he had an opportunity to think carefully about what words he wanted to use. Here is a quote: “In my mind, there are serious inconsistencies in his various statements/stories.” Why do you suppose Clint Hill chose to use the word serious when describing his friend’s story? I think that he was warning the reporter that there are fatal flaws in the story (without actually saying something that devastating about his friend). That is the typical way of the savvy gentleman or politician. I indicated in the earlier post that Clint didn’t actually say what I indicated. Therefore I am not putting words in his mouth. Only expressing my opinion. I don’t expect that anything that I point out will ever change your opinions. And that is fine with me. Go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. Hopefully my opinions might influence someone that hasn’t already made up their mind and still has a somewhat open mind.

[Martin Weidmann]

The first part is correct.  There is no conceivable reason that a SS agent would leave the bullet that he believes was used to assassinate the president on a stretcher.  That is absurd.  Then never say a word about doing that for six decades?  No one can believe that narrative.  These people have been hounded by CTers for decades.  Telemarketers and scam artists target the elderly for a reason.  Clint Hill is trying to be polite to an aging colleague.

There is no conceivable reason that a SS agent would leave the bullet that he believes was used to assassinate the president on a stretcher.  That is absurd. 

There is also no conceivable reason why a SS agent would receive a bullet from a citizen, put it in his pocket instead of an evidence bag (which were available at Parkland), take it to Washington and not establish a credible chain of custody for it. Yet, that's exactly what happened.... Go figure.

[Richard Smith]

There is no conceivable reason that a SS agent would leave the bullet that he believes was used to assassinate the president on a stretcher.  That is absurd. 

There is also no conceivable reason why a SS agent would receive a bullet from a citizen, put it in his pocket instead of an evidence bag (which were available at Parkland), take it to Washington and not establish a credible chain of custody for it. Yet, that's exactly what happened.... Go figure.

They were all in on it?  This from the joker who claims over and over that he is not alleging a conspiracy or that the evidence was fabricated.  But he constantly implies that there was a conspiracy, and the evidence was fabricated.  You have to pick one narrative or the other.  You can't eat your cake and have it too as the Unabomber noted.

[Royell Storing]

  No one is restricted to your "either or" directive. That only chokes discussion. Of course, maintaining the "Single Bullet THEORY" requires putting a lid on discussion. 

[Jon Banks]

There is no conceivable reason that a SS agent would leave the bullet that he believes was used to assassinate the president on a stretcher.  That is absurd. 

There is also no conceivable reason why a SS agent would receive a bullet from a citizen, put it in his pocket instead of an evidence bag (which were available at Parkland), take it to Washington and not establish a credible chain of custody for it. Yet, that's exactly what happened.... Go figure.

Exactly.

The story of how CE399 was found and entered into evidence is MUCH stranger than Landis' story.

Landis is expected to have followed all the rules of handling evidence but all the Dallas PD officers and Secret Service people who mishandled evidence or didn't protect the crime scene that day usually get a free pass here...

[Royell Storing]

 Yeah, we have the WC initially working on a 2 Shots Fired scenario, and then there's the Carcano being ID'd as a Mauser, and don't forget that for roughly 40 yrs the Wiegman film was erroneously ballyhoo'd as being filmed "continuously" along with the Bogus ID of McKinnon/Mumford. But all of that is hunky dory in the Lone Nut World.