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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2023, 10:04:34 PM »
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Someone, (Denis?) posted a very clear cropped version of Towner3 at Denis Morrissette’s Facebook group. We now can tell there is no gun, vaulting pole, Pogo Stick or whatever our fertile minds can vision. We can see now the thin purse strap held or wrapped around the left forearm of Marylin Sitzman!



   That Towner 3 Crop on the (L) is lifted from Groden's "The Killing Of A President". Thanks for posting that still frame from what serves as the Intro to the Zapruder Film. Mostly cropped out of that still frame on the (R) Bottom is Mr Hester. He is sitting on an cement abutment that extends outward from the Shelter. Mr Hester seated on that abutment gives the viewer an idea as to the height above the ground a person standing on it would achieve. Long story short = Not Much. This is exactly why that guy/kid pictured on Towner 3 is NOT standing on said abutment extending out of the other shelter. There's no way standing on such would place his knees at the very top of the picket fence/pickets we see on his (L).
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2023, 10:44:34 PM »
     Not only do we see the (N) end of the Picket Fence, we also see the side of The Shelter too. I'll give you a tip when viewing film clips, still frames, or photos. Find a known Land Mark, focus on that, and then work from point. In this Holland interview, your Land Mark would be the large tree. I'm gonna take the high road here and just say, "You're Welcome".

This is the furthest point along the picket fence in the video.
At no point do we see the end of the picket fence.


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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2023, 11:26:28 PM »
Royell predicted earlier this year that we really do not know if the couple that threw their bottles down were the couple with the little baby boy or a completely different couple. Apparently they were a completely different couple. Gordon Arnold said that there were two couples near him. One couple had a baby boy who would not keep quiet and drove him crazy. This couple with the baby boy were in no hurry to leave. This Murray photo is time stamped at 12:42pm. The mother and little buy in white have moved to the concrete island near the TSBD. Sincerely yours, Michael


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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2023, 11:27:40 PM »
   That Towner 3 Crop on the (L) is lifted from Groden's "The Killing Of A President". Thanks for posting that still frame from what serves as the Intro to the Zapruder Film. Mostly cropped out of that still frame on the (R) Bottom is Mr Hester. He is sitting on an cement abutment that extends outward from the Shelter. Mr Hester seated on that abutment gives the viewer an idea as to the height above the ground a person standing on it would achieve. Long story short = Not Much. This is exactly why that guy/kid pictured on Towner 3 is NOT standing on said abutment extending out of the other shelter. There's no way standing on such would place his knees at the very top of the picket fence/pickets we see on his (L).
The steps abutment Mr. Hester sits on is two full steps lower (11-12”) than Sitzman’s. Plenty of height for Ms. Sitzman.



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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2023, 12:19:41 AM »
This is the furthest point along the picket fence in the video.
At no point do we see the end of the picket fence.



    I never said you could, "see the end of the picket fence". That guy/kid on Towner 3 is not at, "the end of the fence".

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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2023, 12:33:15 AM »
Royell predicted earlier this year that we really do not know if the couple that threw their bottles down were the couple with the little baby boy or a completely different couple. Apparently they were a completely different couple. Gordon Arnold said that there were two couples near him. One couple had a baby boy who would not keep quiet and drove him crazy. This couple with the baby boy were in no hurry to leave. This Murray photo is time stamped at 12:42pm. The mother and little buy in white have moved to the concrete island near the TSBD. Sincerely yours, Michael


    With Sitzman being the only person to claim seeing a couple sitting on the bench, I'm not rubber stamping that claim/ID. I took the Arnold reference to a loud boy as being attached to the Newman family. The Newman's permitted their boy to play with a pair of pliers there on the knoll, so the kid musta been a handful and they were doing whatever they could to occupy him/his time. I thought maybe the boy stood out to Arnold due to the racket he was making, and he overlooked the quieter girl. Just my opinion, but I place the bench behind Arnold a little bit. The couples being referenced by Arnold I believe were in Front of him. This is why I thought his mentioning 2 couples was very interesting. I believe he was talking about a currently unknown couple. 

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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2023, 12:37:49 AM »
The steps abutment Mr. Hester sits on is two full steps lower (11-12”) than Sitzman’s. Plenty of height for Ms. Sitzman.


   Take note that Towner 3 shows OPEN SPACE between that guy/kid and the shelter. You put that individual on the top step or maybe even 1 step lower and that open space would be filled. The Top step puts him partially inside the shelter. That space we are seeing between the individual and the shelter and how high he is on the picket fence puts him on the picket fence. Also, this individual would need to be standing sideways/profile in order to be standing with his back to the camera in order to be projected face forward onto the fence.
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Re: Yet Another Shooter??
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2023, 12:56:15 AM »
I originally thought that the far storm sewer drain at the junction of the end of the picket fence and the concrete bridge abutment (triple overpass) was the most probable place for a GK shooter.

There are photos that show that cars were parked all around this area which could conceal a shooter in a ground level posture , possibly even while he was standing IN the sewer pipe!

But the problem became the angle of the shot would be very difficult to have hit the right side of JFKs head, because of how JFK had slumped slightly towards Jackie after the Z223-225 shot.

There was coincidentally if I recall, a man who was detained very shortly after shots fired , at the other end of that storm drain that opened up to a stream. No rifle was found in the storm drain, but the man could have put the rifle in the trunk of one of the cars before he used the drain like to escape.

It would also be a way for the gunman to approach , unseen, to the GK carrying a rifle by entering the drain far back where the opening near the stream was.

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