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[Royell Storing]

These messy/eye catching autopsy photos and the Z Film have ZERO CREDIBILITY.

Just to clarify, Royell, it is you who has ZERO CREDIBILITY.
You have provided ZERO in terms of evidence for alteration of the Z-film, other than what you believe.
The Z-film is authentic. Roland Zavada's report ends the argument on this matter. But rather than read the report and critique it, fantasists like yourself brush it off with some glib, empty comment. When Horne's documentary was shown up for the  it is, you didn't debate it, you just slid off into the shadows only to re-emerge still spouting your Altfan nonsense.
The autopsy pictures and the Z-film tell exactly the same story - pieces of JFK's skull were blown through the top of his head, lacerating large sections of his scalp in the process.
To imagine both the autopsy pics and the Z-film were altered to such a degree demonstrates a child-like grasp on the realities you are proposing.
The impossibility of what you are proposing simply escapes you.
The most cursory examination of the logic you use to justify these incredible claims reveals that your arguments are built on nothing.
Any alteration would not leave the "back and to the left" motion in film. This motion has become the most celebrated "proof" of a shot from the front? All other alterations are absolutely pointless while this motion is left in. There is ZERO REASON to alter anything if you can't alter everything.

Bring to the table the very best evidence you have that demonstrates the Z-film has been altered.

      You do know you're proffering a film which was under Private lock-n-key for 12 yrs, + a Stolen Body?  I'll raise you those 7 Living Parkland Hospital Dr's and what they have to say regarding the condition of JFK's body only 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot. And I am doing this without knowing what they are gonna say. You guys continue immersing the jury in that gory head stuff, when it is that throat wound that proves at least 2 shooters = Conspiracy. The Mis-Direction you have fallen for ends when these 7 Professionals tell what they saw.         

[Steve M. Galbraith]

      You do know you're proffering a film which was under Private lock-n-key for 12 yrs, + a Stolen Body?  I'll raise you those 7 Living Parkland Hospital Dr's and what they have to say regarding the condition of JFK's body only 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot. And I am doing this without knowing what they are gonna say. You guys continue immersing the jury in that gory head stuff, when it is that throat wound that proves at least 2 shooters = Conspiracy. The Mis-Direction you have fallen for ends when these 7 Professionals tell what they saw.       

You would rely on the description of the wounds on a person by emergency room doctors who see a patient in a rushed setting for about 20 minutes over autopsy doctors who examined the same patient for four hours? And would favor the account of the wounds by ER doctors over the *actual* photos of the wounds?

Why would anyone rely on the ER doctors over this other evidence? Would you do that in *any* other case? ER doctors are known for getting the injuries wrong. That's understandable. Their job is to keep a patient alive not examine his or her wounds.

Here: "As many as 250,000 people die every year because they are misdiagnosed in the emergency room, with doctors failing to identify serious medical conditions like stroke, sepsis and pneumonia, according to a new analysis from the federal government." Link/source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/health/medical-errors-emergency-rooms.html

Granted, that's not *obvious* wounds like gunshot wounds; it's more internal injuries or conditions. But I think the same idea applies, i.e., ER doctors simply make mistakes that regular doctors don't.

ER doctors simply make mistakes, get things wrong: again, it's a rushed/hurried situation, they have to act fast and because of this get things wrong.

As to the film: still black and white frames from the Zapruder film were published by Life magazine on November 29. And color frames a month later. And the Zapruder film was shown in the Clay Shaw trial in New Orleans in 1967 1969. None of those show a exit wound in the back of JFK's head. The film was not under lock-n-key for 12 years.

[Royell Storing]

  ER Dr's work in these rushed conditions every day. Yeah, it's the POTUS, but these Professionals have a detailed step-by-step process they repeatedly go through/religiously follow. I prefer the observations of Dr's seeing/treating a person/body 10-15 minutes after an event vs Military Dr's that salute and then are instructed how to do their job. Humes burning of his Original Autopsy Notes tells you all you need to know. Who does that? Somebody following orders does that, that's who! 

[John Mytton]

You would rely on the description of the wounds on a person by emergency room doctors who see a patient in a rushed setting for about 20 minutes over autopsy doctors who examined the same patient for four hours? And would favor the account of the wounds by ER doctors over the *actual* photos of the wounds?

Why would anyone rely on the ER doctors over this other evidence? Would you do that in *any* other case? ER doctors are known for getting the injuries wrong. That's understandable. Their job is to keep a patient alive not examine his or her wounds.

Here: "As many as 250,000 people die every year because they are misdiagnosed in the emergency room, with doctors failing to identify serious medical conditions like stroke, sepsis and pneumonia, according to a new analysis from the federal government." Link/source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/health/medical-errors-emergency-rooms.html

Granted, that's not *obvious* wounds like gunshot wounds; it's more internal injuries or conditions. But I think the same idea applies, i.e., ER doctors simply make mistakes that regular doctors don't.

ER doctors simply make mistakes, get things wrong: again, it's a rushed/hurried situation, they have to act fast and because of this get things wrong.

As to the film: still black and white frames from the Zapruder film were published by Life magazine on November 29. And color frames a month later. And the Zapruder film was shown in the Clay Shaw trial in New Orleans in 1967. None of those show a exit wound in the back of JFK's head. The film was not under lock-n-key for 12 years.

Thanks Steve, Storing is well known Liar because he knows full well that the Zapruder film was not under Private lock-n-key for 12 yrs, he's just afraid that the film shatters his deluded views on conspiracy.

Anyway further to your post, in the following year The Warren Commission published every single frame from Z171 though to Z334 and they are all the Full Frames that included the ghost images between the sprockets, they also included the graphic head shot.
And every frame is exactly what we saw published in Life Magazine a week later and up until what we see today.





JohnM

[Royell Storing]

     John- Like I have said for awhile now, this is why they had 2 separate Briefing Board sessions. See what you can get by Brugioni in Session 1, and then improve on that for Session 2. To this day, nobody knows exactly what Brugioni examined in Session 1, Session 2 likewise, and then what we have today = Current Z Film. All phony. You might wanna take a look at the SS Reconstruction. (1) No bush blocking the camera, (2) filmed the Black Dog Man Nook, (3) filmed the cement walkway.     

[Dan O'meara]

      You do know you're proffering a film which was under Private lock-n-key for 12 yrs, + a Stolen Body?  I'll raise you those 7 Living Parkland Hospital Dr's and what they have to say regarding the condition of JFK's body only 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot. And I am doing this without knowing what they are gonna say. You guys continue immersing the jury in that gory head stuff, when it is that throat wound that proves at least 2 shooters = Conspiracy. The Mis-Direction you have fallen for ends when these 7 Professionals tell what they saw.       

So here we have it.
Royell's best evidence for Z-film alteration - the Parkland Doctors.
First thing to note, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Z-film. It's not evidence that the film was tampered with or altered in any way. This is a really important point.
It boils down to this - what the Parkland Doctors report seeing concerning the head wound is different from what we see in the Z-film.
This seems like an insurmountable issue, it's either one or the other.

I believe these two, seemingly contradictory, positions can actually be reconciled. The key is understanding the exact nature of JFK's head wound.

The above is an interview with Jim Jenkins. He was a student at the Medical Technology School, part of Bethesda Naval Hospital and assisted with the autopsy that took place at Bethesda.
At around the 30 min mark Jenkins is describing the wound to the skull. He uses a replica skull to describe an area where occipital bone and tissue were missing. There was no laceration to the scalp in this area just missing bone and tissue:

"The wound was here, approximately where my finger is [he places his finger on the back right of the skull, next to the occipital bone]...and it extended down here. It was about three and a half inches long...about two inches wide. That was where the missing bone was and the missing tissue was."

He then goes on to describe a much larger injury:

"Remember, all of this portion [of the skull] in this area was fractured to the saggital suture[he indicates nearly the whole right side/top of the skull]...but it wasn't gone, it was still being kept intact by the scalp. The scalp had rents and tears in it [he indicates a line running along the saggital suture on the crown of the skull]...it seemed like some of those tears in the scalp had been surgically connected, little connections to follow the fracture line in here [again he indicates the length of the saggital suture on the crown of the skull]...
When Dr. Humes took the wrappings off the head, there was a secondary wrapping on it that I think was a towel...as he was taking it off this area kind of gapped open [he indicates that the whole top right side of the skull from the saggital suture downwards opened up] but as soon as we separated it from the towel it went back together."

Jenkins is describing an injury in which the whole right upper side of JFK's head comes away but can be put back again. He goes on:

"Now, that's significant for the fact is you could actually...lay this skull open, you could actually take your hands and separate it [he makes a motion with his hand to indicate the side of the skull could be opened up like a small, hinged door]. So, that would have given you access to the brain."

This is the key point about JFK's head wound - it was possible to "lay this skull open", to open up the side of his head and then put it back again. Jenkins is describing the truly massive wound we see in the autopsy pics and the Z-film. Not a localised wound at the back of the head but something that takes up the majority of the upper right side of JFK's head.
And this is why the doctors at Parkland didn't appreciate the full extent of JFK's head wound. They may have saw it but none of them actually examined it as they were busy trying to save his life. What they saw was the side of his head put back in place by Jackie on the way to Parkland but there was no real structural integrity to it, as he was lying on his back the contents of his head oozed out of a gap in the wound towards the rear of his head. Almost everyone at Parkland saw the same thing, matter oozing from a big hole towards the back of JFK's head.
What they did not see was that the whole side of JFK's head could come away to reveal the truly massive wound seen in the autopsy pics and the Z-film.

No need for film alteration.
The Z-film shows the injury Jenkins describes.
The way Jenkins describes the injury allows us to understand why the Parkland doctors appeared to report something different from the photo/film record.

[Royell Storing]

   As usual, you like others wanna jump to the JFK Autopsy and go with the observations of a STOLEN BODY. That pales in comparison to what Trained Professional Dr's saw at Parkland Hospital with regard to JFK's body 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot. You're getting killed here.

[Dan O'meara]

   As usual, you like others wanna jump to the JFK Autopsy and go with the observations of a STOLEN BODY. That pales in comparison to what Trained Professional Dr's saw at Parkland Hospital with regard to JFK's body 10-15 minutes after the Kill Shot. You're getting killed here.

No, Royell, I'm explaining how what the doctors at Parkland saw is consistent with the wound seen in the authenticated Z-film and the autopsy pics.
Jenkins description of the head wound is confirmed by the Z-film which is confirmed by the autopsy pics. Three main lines of evidence corroborating each other.
All you offer is your meaningless, unsupported opinion.
Who cares what you think, Royell?
If you want to discuss the evidence I've presented in the last few posts, that's fine.
If you just want to stamp your foot and insist that you're right, go for it.
Time after time you've refused to engage in serious debate because you have nothing to offer, only your insistence that you're right.

You're getting killed here.

Who by?
YOU??
 
That's like being attacked by a marshmallow.