Oswalds Journey To Work Wth Buell Wesley Frazier

[Bill Brown]

To spend so much time with a living legend, what an honour.
Besides Marina, there was barely any other people who knew Oswald so well in the last months of his life.
One of my questions would be, how does she feel about Oswald now and how sure is she of his guilt?

JohnM

Hi John.

You've tossed up a softball.  Ha ha

Obviously Ruth is 100% certain of Oswald's guilt.  I saw her walk away from a few people who tried to begin a conversation with her about anything related to a conspiracy.  Still though, she was nice about it.

She and I (and others) were up in the Sixth Floor Museum on the morning of the 22nd.  We had a tour which began at 10:30.  We had been up on the sixth floor for about 45 minutes when I asked her if she wanted to go up to the seventh floor.  We couldn't take two steps without another person, or group of people, coming up to talk to her and ask if they could have a pic taken with her.  She was so kind and told none of them no.  One guy even approached her with a small mimic of the brown package Oswald carried into the building on the morning of the assassination.  I could see that this brown bag had other autographs on it, though I couldn't see who they were.  But, in large black marker, the guy wrote "Curtain Rods" at the top.  He walked up to Ruth asking her to sign it.  She took his pen and began to do so.  I stopped her and, in a low voice, pointed out to her that this guy is basically saying that Oswald carried curtain rods into the building versus a rifle.  She stopped, looked at what I was telling her, then proceeded to sign it anyway.  She was very appreciative of anyone actually wanting to meet her and constantly said to me that she can't believe anyone really wants to meet her more so than they'd want to meet anyone else.

Anyway, it was taking us quite some time to get to the elevator which would take us up to the seventh floor (the Museum had an exhibit on the seventh floor, too).  Finally, she grabbed me by the arm and whispered to me "Get me outta here".  With that, I escorted her to the elevator kindly ignoring (if you will) others who were still wanting to meet her.  She hated walking past the others without stopping but if we didn't, she'd never make it outside by 12:30.

As for her feelings toward Lee, I don't recall specifically discussing that with her other than the one time that she told me that she was offended that he would call her from jail asking her to call the attorney on his behalf; offended that he would ask anything of her.

[Bill Brown]

I thought the internal door to the garage was from the living room into the garage but this video shows it to be from the kitchen to the garage, just like it is today. Is that accurate? On Nov 22nd 1963, was the only internal door to the garage from the kitchen to the garage?

The door leading into the garage was in the dining room, not the kitchen or the living room.  It's in the same place today as it is in the video above.

[John Mytton]

Hi John.

You've tossed up a softball.  Ha ha

Obviously Ruth is 100% certain of Oswald's guilt.  I saw her walk away from a few people who tried to begin a conversation with her about anything related to a conspiracy.  Still though, she was nice about it.

She and I (and others) were up in the Sixth Floor Museum on the morning of the 22nd.  We had a tour which began at 10:30.  We had been up on the sixth floor for about 45 minutes when I asked her if she wanted to go up to the seventh floor.  We couldn't take two steps without another person, or group of people, coming up to talk to her and ask if they could have a pic taken with her.  She was so kind and told none of them no.  One guy even approached her with a small mimic of the brown package Oswald carried into the building on the morning of the assassination.  I could see that this brown bag had other autographs on it, though I couldn't see who they were.  But, in large black marker, the guy wrote "Curtain Rods" at the top.  He walked up to Ruth asking her to sign it.  She took his pen and began to do so.  I stopped her and, in a low voice, pointed out to her that this guy is basically saying that Oswald carried curtain rods into the building versus a rifle.  She stopped, looked at what I was telling her, then proceeded to sign it anyway.  She was very appreciative of anyone actually wanting to meet her and constantly said to me that she can't believe anyone really wants to meet her more so than they'd want to meet anyone else.

Anyway, it was taking us quite some time to get to the elevator which would take us up to the seventh floor (the Museum had an exhibit on the seventh floor, too).  Finally, she grabbed me by the arm and whispered to me "Get me outta here".  With that, I escorted her to the elevator kindly ignoring (if you will) others who were still wanting to meet her.  She hated walking past the others without stopping but if we didn't, she'd never make it outside by 12:30.

As for her feelings toward Lee, I don't recall specifically discussing that with her other than the one time that she told me that she was offended that he would call her from jail asking her to call the attorney on his behalf; offended that he would ask anything of her.

Thanks for providing more insights, if you have any photos or videos, I'd sure like to see them!

I kinda guessed she was still 100% certain of Oswald's guilt but I feel it's important for any newbies to know how she felt.

Also it was good of you to attempt to guide her away from signing the "Curtain Rods" package but that she signed it anyway speaks volumes for who the woman actually is, a kind hearted Quaker who would do anything for virtually anybody. I wonder if the guy with the signed "Curtain Rods" package will try to turn a profit on eBay? Which reminds me of Max Good who exploited Ruth then put his documentary behind a paywall, what a nice guy.

Even the way Max Good distorts with evil intent, the font of Ruth Paine's name in the the promotional poster is stomach churning.



Btw who else was at the event?

JohnM

[Gerry Down]

Hi John.

You've tossed up a softball.  Ha ha

Obviously Ruth is 100% certain of Oswald's guilt.  I saw her walk away from a few people who tried to begin a conversation with her about anything related to a conspiracy.  Still though, she was nice about it.

She and I (and others) were up in the Sixth Floor Museum on the morning of the 22nd.  We had a tour which began at 10:30.  We had been up on the sixth floor for about 45 minutes when I asked her if she wanted to go up to the seventh floor.  We couldn't take two steps without another person, or group of people, coming up to talk to her and ask if they could have a pic taken with her.  She was so kind and told none of them no.  One guy even approached her with a small mimic of the brown package Oswald carried into the building on the morning of the assassination.  I could see that this brown bag had other autographs on it, though I couldn't see who they were.  But, in large black marker, the guy wrote "Curtain Rods" at the top.  He walked up to Ruth asking her to sign it.  She took his pen and began to do so.  I stopped her and, in a low voice, pointed out to her that this guy is basically saying that Oswald carried curtain rods into the building versus a rifle.  She stopped, looked at what I was telling her, then proceeded to sign it anyway.  She was very appreciative of anyone actually wanting to meet her and constantly said to me that she can't believe anyone really wants to meet her more so than they'd want to meet anyone else.

Anyway, it was taking us quite some time to get to the elevator which would take us up to the seventh floor (the Museum had an exhibit on the seventh floor, too).  Finally, she grabbed me by the arm and whispered to me "Get me outta here".  With that, I escorted her to the elevator kindly ignoring (if you will) others who were still wanting to meet her.  She hated walking past the others without stopping but if we didn't, she'd never make it outside by 12:30.

As for her feelings toward Lee, I don't recall specifically discussing that with her other than the one time that she told me that she was offended that he would call her from jail asking her to call the attorney on his behalf; offended that he would ask anything of her.

Did you ask her if she passed on the call about the love field airport job to Oswald? There is some doubt she hid this call from Oswald as she'd prefer him to work at the lower paid tsbd job rather than the higher paid love field job.

The less money LHO made, the easier it would be for her to seperate Marina from LHO which is what her goal appeared to be.

[John Mytton]

Did you ask her if she passed on the call about the love field airport job to Oswald? There is some doubt she hid this call from Oswald as she'd prefer him to work at the lower paid tsbd job rather than the higher paid love field job.

The less money LHO made, the easier it would be for her to seperate Marina from LHO which is what her goal appeared to be.

Hi Jerry, my thoughts.

1. Oswald according to Marina, Oswald liked working at the depository because it was not dirty work.
2. Working in the city with all the surrounding shops and prestige can be an advantage.
3. The distance from the rooming house was less than half the distance to Love field
4. Was the additional distance worth the extra bus fare and travelling time?
4. Frazier lived close by and made it convenient for expected and unexpected visits.
5. Was the Love Field job being an airport a strict "9 to 5" job or a slight variation there of, or were there afterhours crap like midnight to dawn?
6. Was the increased pay of Love Field employment governed by the penalty rates of afterhours work?
7. Oswald was repeatedly turned down for work and resorted to bullsh!tting on his TSBD application and got away with a lackadaisical Roy Truly.
8, Oswald was already working and the Love Field job wasn't a sure thing.
9. Taking the above into account, money isn't everything.



JohnM

[Gerry Down]

Hi Jerry, my thoughts.

1. Oswald according to Marina, Oswald liked working at the depository because it was not dirty work.
2. Working in the city with all the surrounding shops and prestige can be an advantage.
3. The distance from the rooming house was less than half the distance to Love field
4. Was the additional distance worth the extra bus fare and travelling time?
4. Frazier lived close by and made it convenient for expected and unexpected visits.
5. Was the Love Field job being an airport a strict "9 to 5" job or a slight variation there of, or were there afterhours crap like midnight to dawn?
6. Was the increased pay of Love Field employment governed by the penalty rates of afterhours work?
7. Oswald was repeatedly turned down for work and resorted to bullsh!tting on his TSBD application and got away with a lackadaisical Roy Truly.
8, Oswald was already working and the Love Field job wasn't a sure thing.
9. Taking the above into account, money isn't everything.



JohnM

All valid points. But did Ruth take it upon herself to block LHO from even considering the love field job? Would that love field job have taken Marina away from her? The fact Frazier lived so close to Ruths house was, for the tsbd job, an anchoring point to ensure Marina stayed close to Ruths house as LHO had a readily convenient way to get to work with frazier.

[John Mytton]

All valid points. But did Ruth take it upon herself to block LHO from even considering the love field job? Would that love field job have taken Marina away from her? The fact Frazier lived so close to Ruths house was, for the tsbd job, an anchoring point to ensure Marina stayed close to Ruths house as LHO had a readily convenient way to get to work with frazier.

But did Ruth take it upon herself to block LHO from even considering the love field job?

Of course my points were from Oswald's perspective and Ruth would have no right to make this decision for Oswald, but at the end of the day I really don't know and perhaps asking Ruth could provide an answer but 60 years later I doubt she'd remember what amounts to a minor conversation over the phone?

Would that love field job have taken Marina away from her?

I don't believe that Ruth had any say over the matter.
Oswald believed he was already making enough money to afford an apartment in Dallas, was it enough for a comfortable life, again, I don't know?

Mr. RANKIN. And how did he show that he was upset?
Mrs. OSWALD. He was upset over the fact that I would not answer him. He tried to start a conversation with me several times, but I would not answer. And he said that he didn't want me to be angry at him because this upsets him.
On that day, he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow--that he didn't want me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in Dallas.
He repeated this not once but several times, but I refused. And he said that once again I was preferring my friends to him, and that I didn't need him.

JohnM

[Richard Smith]

Of all the unfortunate things in this case, Marina's obvious intense dislike of Ruth Paine is truly surprising.  When you read Marina's testimony and comments about Ruth Paine in the aftermath it is perplexing that she clearly disliked Ruth intensely after the assassination.  Ruth Paine was obviously trying to do a good deed in assisting Marina and her family when she had no obligation to do so.   My guess is that Marina was concerned that Ruth Paine could reveal some details about her that would not be complimentary.   Likely influenced by Robert Oswald who was suspicious of Ruth.  Marina also wanted the limelight and didn't want to share it with anyone.  There were likely financial incentives to be the source of information about Oswald and Ruth also knew some of those details. 

Marina had plenty of cause to be concerned.  She knew that her husband had attempted to assassinate a public figure in Dallas.  She knew that her husband kept the rifle in the Paine's garage.  She knew that her husband made an unexpected trip to the house where he kept the rifle on the very night before the arrival of the president.  She knew that her husband worked in a building overlooking the motorcade route.  Should she have been concerned being the only person on Earth to know these details on Nov. 21 and perhaps have been in a position to stop what happened?  Maybe.  She has gotten off easy in my opinion.  Maybe it is unreasonable to suggest that she should have known that her husband was a threat to assassinate JFK but she had plenty of cause to give it some consideration.