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Offline Charles Collins

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2023, 05:02:19 PM »
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If you contact Mark that is okay with me, I’d prefer that. I don’t have his database handy. Does he have times for any of the Skaggs photos? In particular #09, which has Sitzman and Mrs. Hester near Elm sidewalk at the pergola steps.
 


James, the Skaggs photo that I find in the Mark Tyler animation during the immediate aftermath of the shooting is Skaggs6. And Mark shows the time as 12:31:52.




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Offline James Hackerott

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2023, 05:47:08 PM »

James, the Skaggs photo that I find in the Mark Tyler animation during the immediate aftermath of the shooting is Skaggs6. And Mark shows the time as 12:31:52.


Okay, his slide #7 seems to be taken in the general area of his #6. His #8 is a closeup of a MC officer with two other men somewhere in the parking area that I can’t figure out where exactly. Then #9 was taken around the top of the knoll steps. #9 has Sitzman in a well developed crowd.  So, maybe around 2-3 minutes after his #6. I just don’t know how long it took the crowd to develop.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2023, 06:15:13 PM »
Okay, his slide #7 seems to be taken in the general area of his #6. His #8 is a closeup of a MC officer with two other men somewhere in the parking area that I can’t figure out where exactly. Then #9 was taken around the top of the knoll steps. #9 has Sitzman in a well developed crowd.  So, maybe around 2-3 minutes after his #6. I just don’t know how long it took the crowd to develop.


Here’s a link to the Skaggs9 photo at the Sixth Floor Museum online collection:

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/22059/color-slide?ctx=5baa19f93203d15c4b45f41fce37ed6ca821a0ac&idx=8

I will try to locate Sitzman and Hester in the photo. I certainly do believe that it was taken several minutes after the shooting. There’s an oral history available from SFM that might shed some light on this aspect.
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2023, 06:15:59 PM »
The guy in the alcove in Towner3 can only be Charles Hester.
In various photos he and his wife make their way over to the alcove where Sitzman and Zapruder are already stood.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2023, 06:20:31 PM »
The guy in the alcove in Towner3 can only be Charles Hester.
In various photos he and his wife make their way over to the alcove where Sitzman and Zapruder are already stood.

There’s no reason to believe that it isn’t Zapruder. The camera strap is the giveaway clue.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2023, 06:41:28 PM »
There’s no reason to believe that it isn’t Zapruder. The camera strap is the giveaway clue.

I see what you're saying, it looks more like a strap going across his body than a tie.

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2023, 06:49:54 PM »
There’s no reason to believe that it isn’t Zapruder. The camera strap is the giveaway clue.

         Sitzman said she talked with a G-Man there at the top of the knoll. Could be him inside that shelter. Hester was wearing a Long Tie, but I think the gent we are seeing inside the Shelter is much stockier than the thin Mr. Hester. There's a reason Towner 3 has the guy/kid on the fence, and the image inside the Shelter Cropped Out 90% of the time. (1) That picket fence location was occupied during the assassination, and (2) there was supposed to be NO G-Men on foot inside Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. 

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Re: Towner3 Fence Man Identity
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2023, 07:11:39 PM »

Here’s a link to the Skaggs9 photo at the Sixth Floor Museum online collection:

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/22059/color-slide?ctx=5baa19f93203d15c4b45f41fce37ed6ca821a0ac&idx=8

I will try to locate Sitzman and Hester in the photo. I certainly do believe that it was taken several minutes after the shooting. There’s an oral history available from SFM that might shed some light on this aspect.


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