When Was JBC Hit?

[Dan O'meara]

   STOP with the door handles, spare tire, and reliance on the perspective challenged Z Film. None of that comes close to actually resolving this age old issue. I'll give you a hint and then wait to see if you are worthy of being called a JFK Assassination Researcher. Go back to the very Beginning. You know, Love Field. The principles were filmed boarding and then selecting where they sat down inside the JFK Limo relative to each other. You can even see inside the Limo with respect to the placement of Gov Connally's jump seat. There's also footage from the rear of the JFK Limo pulling away. Now, Chop, Chop!

Any buffoon can post an image on a forum.
Just do it.
And while you're at it, explain the red line representing the trajectory of the bullet that went through JBC according to Knott Labs.



Where did the bullet come from that passed through JBC?

[Zeon Mason]

Just because some of us are not buffoon enough to post images does  not necessarily warrant a conclusion that our opinion or argument is unworthy of consideration.

Plus, it’s EASIER to let those more dedicated researchers whom probably have a whole library of images ready to be posted on moments notice, either reinforce or refute propositions/ observations made by non buffoon people 🔍

[Royell Storing]

  The Gov Connally Jump Seat is positioned close to the middle of the JFK Limo. JFK is leaning back into that corner where the Backrest meets the passenger side of the car. JFK and Connally are nowhere close to being in alignment when they are seated in these 2 positions. Nobody knows with certainty the position of these 2 Men when the JFK Limo was behind the Stemmons Sign. But that's conjecture. Not Fact! The Love Field footage of these 2 men being seated inside the Limo + the Limo then pulling away, shows that the throat of JFK is not lined up behind Connally. Connally is still wearing his Bright Stetson Hat at this point which makes this easy to see.

[Dan O'meara]

Just because some of us are not buffoon enough to post images does  not necessarily warrant a conclusion that our opinion or argument is unworthy of consideration.

Plus, it’s EASIER to let those more dedicated researchers whom probably have a whole library of images ready to be posted on moments notice, either reinforce or refute propositions/ observations made by non buffoon people 🔍

If, like Royell, you are arguing that there is an image that demonstrates a bullet through JFK's neck would miss JBC then you need to post that image otherwise your argument is indeed "unworthy of consideration".
Just screenshot any image and use the Postimage website [ https://postimages.org/ ] to upload this image to any forum.

[Royell Storing]

     Like my recently Proving that for 60+ years the motorcycle cop on the Darnell/Martin Film is NOT  DPD Officer Haygood, my research on the Non-Alignment of JFK vs Gov Connally at Love Field is Tedious and Fact driven. I only exchange source information "back stage" with sincerely devoted JFK Assassination Researchers. The Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers botched this case from the jump. These same people are now doing everything they can to cover their rear ends/reputations. I am currently putting a bow on the TSBD NOT being secure for 2+ hrs following the assassination. I have found multiple Image Documentation which makes my claim a Fact. This TSBD situation DQ's all of the "evidence" found inside the TSBD within that 2+ hour period of time.         

[Andrew Mason]

quote author=Jerry Organ link=topic=3867.msg157287#msg157287 date=1719608439]


Do you mean something like this, Charles?



Yes, Jerry, thanks I think you get the general idea. Also, I question Andrew’s angle calculation for the Z193 frame. It appears to me that he has mistaken a glare from the sun for the rear door handle. I circled the two door handles (as I see them) on the photo below:




If I am correct about the door handles, then Andrew’s angle calculation would appear to be off significantly. It sure looks to me like there is more of a difference in camera angles between the Main Street photo and the Z193 frame than the 0.2-degrees that Andrew calculated.

I think you are right about my placement of the rear doorhandle in z193.  I have moved it to where you suggested:



So at z193 the angle appears to be 30.5 degrees or 2.4 degrees more than in the Main St. photo (28.1 degrees).

[Zeon Mason]

I don’t need any image other than the Z film frames from Z223-z226 to see with my own eyes that JFK and JC are reacting simultaneously like 2 persons being hit by some force.

Now there may still be some argument that 2 gunman could  have fired simultaneously at about Z223-Z224 and  the 1st gunmans bullet hit JFK , exited his throat and hit the curb near Tague, while the 2nd gunmans bullet missed JFK but struck JC , going thru his chest and wrist and stopping in his  left leg.

But it would have to be one gunman with a suppressed rifle because otherwise would not eat witness have heard  2 simultaneous  loud shots at Z224 as noticeably louder than a single shot?

Or, if 2 shots were not exactly simultaneous, but very close like 1sec apart, then would not there would be reverse pattern of 1.2……3 (which no witnesses  heard such pattern as far as I know.)

You cannot even make this work with just one gunman firing 2 rapid shots using a loud sounding semi auto rifle from the TSBD 6th floor SE window, because

A. There is no way to hit JC in his right side back wound location without going thru some part of JFKs body.

B. Harold Norman although maybe spacing all 3 shots completed in as little as 4 secs, never the less had all 3 shots EVENLY spaced.

Therefore a 2nd gunman would have to use a suppressed rifle that fired a bullet that no one heard, and that gunman would have be located behind the JFK limo somewhere farther west of  1st gunman in TSBD SE window to allow a trajectory past the body of JFK allowing the hit to JC in the left side of his back.

The only thing that could remotely even support this speculative premise would be the SW 6th floor window of TSBD where Arnold  Rowland saw a gunman briefly at 12:15 and described the rifle having a large scope which makes it less probable the rifle an MC rifle with a side mounted scope.

So if Knotts  Lab computer model position and angle of JCs shoulder can be demonstrated to be more accurate than what the Z film frames at Z223-225 indicate, then the only way to explain the simultaneous movement of JC and JFK would be the 2 gunman theory with 2nd gunman using a suppressed rifle.

Then the question would be why only the 2nd gunman west of the TSBD SE window, used a suppressed rifle while his comrade at used a loud sounding rifle.

The answer would have to be from the CT side since a 2 gunman theory is de facto a conspiracy theory.

[Royell Storing]

  I have recently discovered Images proving that the TSBD was un-secure for better than 2 hrs immediately following the Kill Shot. I have also found images of a man physically connected to this TSBD "Open House". There's No question that a "Conspiracy" was employed to assassinate JFK. None. More soon!