When Was JBC Hit?

[Royell Storing]

So what? Gary Mack would graciously help nearly anybody with just about any kind of lamebrain theory. It didn't cost the Museum anything to have Holland cart away a signal cross-arm. Gary, while at the Museum, was host to numerous visiting CT documentary-makers and Hollywood-mythologists like Oliver Stone. Mack had an keen interest in CT/LN minutia to the point where he was sometimes pro-active, such as impartially timing Oswald's movements in Oak Cliff. Mack was an invited juror on the 2013 State Bar of Texas Oswald Mock Trial that ended in a mock hung jury; Mack (the LNer's "Museum Friend") voted "Not Guilty".

        Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. He emailed with me too. So what? Mack got hammered on the audio stuff, got buried on the Badge Man, got bludgeoned on the mis-id of Mumford/McKinnon, got shived on his claiming that Wiegman was filmed "continously", etc, etc, etc. He finally was so battered that he went into the tank and took the Curator position/$$ and thereby consented to the limitations of a leash. Maybe you know what Mack did with the Gordon Arnold camera that Arnold's wife and son gave him? Maybe you know why the Sixth Floor has buried the Gordon Arnold interview? Maybe you know why Mack hid his talking with Gordon Arnold way back in "80" or "81"? Don't matter any more as the Knott Lab Laser results have currently put all of this decades old cloak-n-dagger  to bed. Those results and the FACTS that RFK Jr is now supplying to the public have opened up the flood gates. The TRUTH is finally being told.       

[John Mytton]

        Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. He emailed with me too. So what? Mack got hammered on the audio stuff, got buried on the Badge Man, got bludgeoned on the mis-id of Mumford/McKinnon, got shived on his claiming that Wiegman was filmed "continously", etc, etc, etc. He finally was so battered that he went into the tank and took the Curator position/$$ and thereby consented to the limitations of a leash. Maybe you know what Mack did with the Gordon Arnold camera that Arnold's wife and son gave him? Maybe you know why the Sixth Floor has buried the Gordon Arnold interview? Maybe you know why Mack hid his talking with Gordon Arnold way back in "80" or "81"? Don't matter any more as the Knott Lab Laser results have currently put all of this decades old cloak-n-dagger  to bed. Those results and the FACTS that RFK Jr is now supplying to the public have opened up the flood gates. The TRUTH is finally being told.       

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. He emailed with me too. So what?

And I bet all the tea in China, he corrected one of your one of many easily disputable fantasies, hence all these sick and twisted inappropriate metaphors, c'mon Royell you used to be better than this.

Mack got hammered on the audio stuff

If you're talking about the police dictabelt it wasn't confirmed to be wishful thinking until our very own Steve Barber put the whole matter to bed.

got buried on the Badge Man

Badgeman's head is way too small to be just over the fence and it was calculated he needed to be way back and way up in the air.

got bludgeoned on the mis-id of Mumford/McKinnon

Not this again, you have mentioned this a bazillion times as if the correct identification somehow can be connected to something/anything but she's J.A.F.O!

got shived on his claiming that Wiegman was filmed "continously"

Maybe he saw film that you never saw but what does it matter, you believe in your "expert" opinion that all the films were altered!

He finally was so battered that he went into the tank and took the Curator position/$$ and thereby consented to the limitations of a leash.

He was offered a job which was close to his heart, we all should be so lucky.

Maybe you know what Mack did with the Gordon Arnold camera that Arnold's wife and son gave him? Maybe you know why the Sixth Floor has buried the Gordon Arnold interview? Maybe you know why Mack hid his talking with Gordon Arnold way back in "80" or "81"?

Yeah Gordon Arnold, the invisible man.

Don't matter any more as the Knott Lab Laser results have currently put all of this decades old cloak-n-dagger  to bed. Those results and the FACTS that RFK Jr is now supplying to the public have opened up the flood gates. The TRUTH is finally being told.

As Jerry, myself and several prominent CT researchers have pointed out, the Don Knott Lab's results come from "Garbage in Garbage out", they were commissioned by hardcore CT's who heavily contributed to the "Garbage in"! If their study was balanced by a neutral knowledgeable 3D expert then you may have something but you can crow till the cows come home because at the end of the day we have film of Kennedy and Connally violently reacting simultaneously.

Better luck next time!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Myers did it in the 1990s with less computer power than in most iPhones today. Thanks for the error spot!

Of course, we shouldn't expect a molecule-level match-up. The SketchUp program, for example, has no "pincushion" effect that the Zapruder camera lens had. So some elements on the far side of the car could be a bit off in a match-up. My model's side-mirror doesn't match but it's not important; there are multiple features that I'm more sure of that allow me to match the model to the frame. The mirror isn't on my priority list right now. Another thing is the resolution of the 8mm film and panning blur. In essence, even a relatively-sharp frame still means the figures and car can be moved an inch this way-or-than and still match.

That's like an allowable error margin of 5%. The Knotts SBT analysis is a lot more than 5%.



BTW, the critics are howling over a Knotts capture that they think shows the trajectory followed close to the path of the (oh dear) "official" version.

That's like an allowable error margin of 5%. The Knotts SBT analysis is a lot more than 5%.

To be fair and having an interest in Laser Scanning and photogrammetry I have been checking out Knott Lab's web site and what they do can be impressive on a coarse scale, like they recreated a slide out and positioning of a dirt car which resulted in the death of a driver, the struck driver was walking over the track which I believe puts him partly at fault but never the less the sliding out driver was playing silly buggers and he should have never relied on his inadequate abilities.
But in this dirt track case we are talking about broad brush strokes and not the intricate detail that was required in the accurate placing of the occupants in the Limo and as you point out Knott Labs margin of error seems to be far in excess of the tolerance required for an accurate recreation.
Placing cars into Laser scanned recreations is one thing but placing the occupants within these cars with millimetre needed precision is in a totally other league.
It would have been awesome if they collaborated with Dale Myers but alas they didn't and now they have imo a totally botched result.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

    You guys giving your layman's opinions on Knott Lab Laser work is hilarious. But, where else can you go with everything now crashing down around you? The SBT is gone based on THE SCIENCE. Not opinion, which is all Specter ever proffered to begin with. And with RFK Jr now naming names, the conspiracy that you previously laughed at is front-and-center for all to see. And you laughed at The 3 Tramps? Not anymore! 

[John Iacoletti]

Oh that's easy, Iacoletti sees the exact opposite of any evidence that convicts Oswald.

Silly remark. If the single bullet fantasy is true, Oswald may or may not have done it. If the single bullet fantasy is false, Oswald may or may not have done it.

[John Iacoletti]

Iirc Dale Myers scientifically allowed any variations of 3D depth which concurred with the 2D images to fit his hypothesis whereas the opposite methodology of placing the models to achieve a predetermined outcome is the antithesis of science.

As if Myers didn’t place his models to achieve a predetermined outcome.

[Andrew Mason]

I have done a serious amount of research on the specific topic of when the first shot was fired ["The First Shot" thread]
I have collected a mountain of evidence which demonstrates that the first shot was taken around z222/z223 and is the shot that caused JFK's arms to fly towards his throat as seen in the Z-film.
You should trust me on this one John.

You have collected a mountain of evidence that JFK is reacting to the first shot when he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign. 

When they emerge from behind the Stemmons sign, both men are reacting to the first shot, just as the evidence says they did 

The first bullet passed through JFK on a right to left path without deflecting a material amount and did not appear to strike the car so that is when JBC was first hit by a bullet (ie. when the first shot struck).

JBC was hit in the back on the second shot, according to the evidence.  There were only three shots.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

You have collected a mountain of evidence that JFK is reacting to the first shot when he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign. 

When they emerge from behind the Stemmons sign, both men are reacting to the first shot, just as the evidence says they did 

The first bullet passed through JFK on a right to left path without deflecting a material amount and did not appear to strike the car so that is when JBC was first hit by a bullet (ie. when the first shot struck).

JBC was hit in the back on the second shot, according to the evidence.  There were only three shots.

JBC's reactions/actions - the swift head move/turn to the right and then head going back to the center before they go behind the sign - AND his testimony on why he did this, i.e., he said he heard a shot, are explained how? Crowd noise?