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Offline John Mytton

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2023, 12:46:41 AM »
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Here is another clear, obvious fact that proves that JFK was hit well before Z224, and that therefore he and Connally were hit by separate bullets, even if we erroneously assume that Connally was hit at Z224: In Z224, we see that JFK has already brought his left hand up to the level of his throat and that Jackie is looking intently at him. Obviously, JFK began this motion with his left arm many frames earlier because his left hand is already up to the level of his throat in Z224.

Wrong!

From frame Z224 to Z225 Kennedy is lowering his right hand towards his chest which is starting to clench into a fist. The shadow on the back of his right hand in Z224 helps to indicate the orientation as his open hand begins to become a fist.



Then between Z225 to Z226 Kennedy very quickly raises his cupping right hand while attaining the resulting Thorburn position, towards his throat.



As the clip progresses, we see Kennedy's elbows shoot up and it's only then a concerned Jackie who while quickly glancing at the reacting Connally, places her hand on her husbands left elbow and realizes that in the previous couple of seconds something very drastic has just happened.



See Michael, with the benefit of these toggled frames we get to analyse with great precision these repeated movements. And I know that if Connally way back when he examined individual frames had this added degree of accuracy he would would heartily agree with this unescapable conclusion!

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2023, 01:58:22 AM »


    Now he believes he is clairvoyant. Further proof the Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has knocked him for a loop. SBT = DOA

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2023, 02:09:06 AM »
You can call unsubstantiated assertions “history” all you like, but it doesn’t make them true.

“Verified”. LOL. No more than Euins “verified” under oath that the rifleman had a bald spot. And Brennan failed to make a positive ID at the lineup that was egregiously unfair and biased to begin with, even after seeing Oswald’s picture on television.

LOL. Wrong height, wrong weight, wrong age, wrong clothing.

Why did it “have to be”? Funny that Sawyer didn’t remember his informant wearing a hard hat.

“Relatively recent”. LOL. “Rifle rest box”. LOL.

LOL.

LOL.

“Recovered from the limo”. LOL.

“Prints”. LOL. “On the rifle”. LOL.

“Match”. LOL.

“Flees”, “frantic rush”, “admits”, “kills Tippit”, “shells at the scene”, “Oswald revolver”, “his jacket”, “tries to kill”, “lies about”.

LOL

OMG Eleven "Laugh Out Louds"! You must feel real proud of yourself.

Anyway, in the far distant future, future historians may come across this recorded history, because as we know the web is forever, hopefully with thanks to innovations like the "Wayback Machine" and they will read my insightful facts about a Suicidal Marxist Defector who hated authority and bought a Mail Order Rifle and a Mail Order Revolver and went on a killing spree, and all those facts are supported by a MOUNTAIN of rock solid evidence, like exclusively matching shells, Palmprints, fibers, eyewitnesses etc etc. And the best refutation is a Sad Old Clown who can only mindlessly cackle by repeated LOLing at his destroyed fantasies.

So John Iacoletti, thank you, thank you, thank you for inadvertently reinforcing Lee Harvey Oswald's guilt for centuries to come!

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2023, 02:29:42 AM »

    Now he believes he is clairvoyant. Further proof the Knott Lab Laser 360 SCIENCE has knocked him for a loop. SBT = DOA



Interesting, you have previously stated that this "SCIENCE" involved the close examination of the still frames and photographs taken on 11/22/63

  in junction with computer evaluated still frames and photographs taken on 11/22/63.   

But you have stated that the very essence of what the Knott Labs needed to accomplish their task "The Zapruder Film" is Bogus.

Even though you inadvertently have supplied further Proof of the Current Z Film being Bogus,

Take a look at ill positioned Hulked out Connally and this is what YOU call "SCIENCE"! -giggle-


As I have previously stated the strongest case that the Knott Lab's recreation is "garbage in garbage out" comes from YOU!!!

Btw In an alternate universe where this gets to Court, the best way to refute the Knott's Lab's findings comes from their most vocal incompetent supporter? Talk about stumbling and bumbling and kicking an own goal, you take the cake! Hahahahahaha!



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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2023, 03:24:11 AM »

      As difficult as it might be, try to FOCUS on the Laser projected bullet trajectory. You are so far off your game or what used to be your game, I feel sorry for you. Knott Labs has really knocked you for a loop.  SBT = "IMPOSSIBLE"

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2023, 03:49:12 AM »
      As difficult as it might be, try to FOCUS on the Laser projected bullet trajectory. You are so far off your game or what used to be your game, I feel sorry for you. Knott Labs has really knocked you for a loop.  SBT = "IMPOSSIBLE"

Sorry Royell, this has nothing to do with me!
YOU, yourself have "proven" that the basic building block that Knott Labs relied on was Bogus. You Lose.

Even though you inadvertently have supplied further Proof of the Current Z Film being Bogus,



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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #78 on: December 01, 2023, 06:43:25 AM »
Too bad that Harold Norman completed his 3 shots fired  timing in less than 4 secs.

Too bad Harold Normans description of what he saw was that he heard the 1st shot, then saw JFK “slump” then Norman heard 2 more shots.

Combined together, Norman heard 3 shots in about 3.5 seconds and the 1st shot Must have HIT JFK , causing him to slump , then followed by the next 2 shots Norman heard , which were only 1.5 sec apart resulting in all 3 shots being fired in 4 secs or less.

But yes, only 3 shots did Norman hear as did about 2/3rds majority of earwitness.

And Norman heard 3 shells hiring the floor, and thought he heard the operation of a bolt action rifle as “click click” .

interesting coincidences:
1. The  M1941 Johnson 7.62 mm semi auto rifle makes a “click” noise as it ejects a spent shell.
2. The M1941 Johnson. 7.62 mm rifle was one of the type rifles issued to Bay of Pigs invasion soldiers/ CIA operatives.
3. The M1941 when disassembled could fit in a 24” length bag
4. One eyewitness described a  rifle she saw as a “machinegun” The M1941 rifle  has a partial heat shield  similar to a 30 cal machinegun.
5. One M1941 rifle may  have been traced back to one Loran Hall who also may have been a BOP operative.

Question: Is there any way that Norman could have  mistaken the sound of a semi auto rifle that clicks” when it ejects a shell, as an MC bolt action rifle?

Lee Bowers ,  the Tower operator , reinforces  Norman’s rapid 3-4 sec Time with his own replication rapping his hand 3 times rapidly on his desk, (Mark Lane recorded interview) completing the sequence in about 3 secs also.

The Probability based on  these 2 witness, (presuming no 2nd shooter with a silenced rifle),  is that 3 shots were fired rapidly , in a span of only 3-4 secs , with the last 2 shots only about 1.5 sec apart and that the FIRST shot DID hit JFK causing him to slump, followed by 2 more shots, the last one being at at Z313.

Conclusion: If only one shooter, he was not using the MC bolt action rifle which would require most likely at least 6-7 secs to get 2 hits , one being the head shot.

The First shot therefore must be the Z223-224 shot , which caused JFK to slump as Norman observed , then followed by 2 more shots which ended with the Z313 shot. By the Z film , therefore, all 3 shots would have been fired in an approx span of 4.8 sec or less.

Note: there was ONE CBS time trial shooter (the old engineer dude) whom was recorded on film managing to fire 3 shots from an MC rifle  in 5.1 secs and scoring 3 hits to the body of the JFK target figure.  ( but missed the head)

Unfortunately NONE of the CBS time trial
Shooters were using the position of sitting on the box beside the pipes in the SN, and then leaning over, which is the position that is the most likely one used if the TSBD 6th floor SE window shooter remained out of sight during the Hughes film footage of the JFK  limo approaching the TSBD along Houston st.

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Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2023, 04:09:45 PM »
And I know that if Connally way back when he examined individual frames had this added degree of accuracy he would would heartily agree with this unescapable conclusion!
That is very persuasive.  But I can do better.  I say that this was the first shot ie. there was no earlier missed shot. And I know that if JFK had survived the assassination attempt by Oswald, he would agree with that inescapable conclusion. Presidential credibility beats Governor credibility so you can't get any better than that.

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« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2023, 04:09:45 PM »