When Was JBC Hit?

[Charles Collins]

JBC said that gap was a very very short time. It is conceivable to me that he was already in the process of turning back to the front as he reappears from behind the sign in the Zapruder film.

[Andrew Mason]

11th grade? You are being kind to yourself. You presented your understanding of physics as a bullet striking a hard object.

But it doesn’t matter how hard the impact to determine the transfer of momentum. The only thing that matters is the bullet momentum before and the bullet momentum after. Since that loss of momentum is imparted to the body and to whatever it is connected to, the maximum momentum the body can gain is the amount lost by the bullet.

[Andrew Mason]

JBC said that gap was a very very short time. It is conceivable to me that he was already in the process of turning back to the front as he reappears from behind the sign in the Zapruder film.

”Short” is relative.  Four seconds is short too. The evidence that JFK began reacting to the first shot  before the second shot occurred is inconsistent with what you are suggesting.

[Andrew Mason]

Zapruder is sitting in a chair and Watson is talking and from that you know everything he has heard after entering into the building and standing then sitting in the studio?  Did you miss the part where Watson could not wait to tell him there were three shots. Did you also imagine hearing Zapruder mention a shot halfway between the throat shot and the head shot?

You need to watch the whole continuous feed for the hour or so beforehand.  Watson is on the air continuously.   Your allegation was that he caused Zapruder’s confusion. But we can see that Watson did not say anything to him in the hour prior to beginning the interview.  He did not mention 3 shots until after Zapruder said:

“And as I was shooting—as the President was coming down from Houston Street making his turn; it was about a half-way down there—I heard a shot, and he slumped to the side, like this. Then I heard another shot or two—I couldn't say [whether] it was one or two—and I saw his head practically open up [places fingers of right hand to right side of head in a narrow cone, over his right ear], all blood and everything, and I kept on shooting.”

JBC, Nellie, and Jackie all mention the first shot hit JBC. Are you still struggling with the basics?

I am struggling with that.  But it is because I am struggling to understand what universe you are in.

[Charles Collins]

”Short” is relative.  Four seconds is short too. The evidence that JFK began reacting to the first shot  before the second shot occurred is inconsistent with what you are suggesting.

  Four seconds is short too.


I understand what you are saying. But in no way (in this context) is four seconds “a very, very short amount of time”. Read the testimony of JBC where he was asked the question. I am going by memory, but he said something to the effect that he was looking to his right when he heard the shot. He “instinctively” looked back over his right shoulder to where he thought the shot came from. When he didn’t see JFK out of the “corner of his eye,” he decided to turn to look over his left shoulder.
An “instinctive” reaction typically happens very very quickly. It usually involves the amygdala (a tiny portion of the brain that is constantly working subconsciously to help protect us). Just ask that snake that missed biting my leg when I jumped out of its way before I even really saw it or knew anything. I believe that this is the type of reaction that JBC was trying to describe when he used the words “instinctively” and a very very short amount of time.

[Zeon Mason]

I don’t see how it is plausible  that Zapruders statement
 “ he heard a shot and then he saw JFK slump and then heard another shot or 2”  could support Andrews proposed sequence of a 1st shot at Z195-200 that missed and then a second shot 4 secs after that at Z270-ish.

Seems to me that   Zapruder  is backing up Betzner and Willis as well as Harold Normans perception of a 1st shot that was heard , followed by JFK slumping and only AFTER that slumping then was heard a 2nd and or 3rd shot.

[Andrew Mason]

I don’t see how it is plausible  that Zapruders statement
 “ he heard a shot and then he saw JFK slump and then heard another shot or 2”  could support Andrews proposed sequence of a 1st shot at Z195-200 that missed

?? I have never, ever suggested that any shot missed everyone. The evidence is rather strong and uncontradicted that JFK reacted to the first shot as we see when he emerges from behind the sign. I am suggesting that the trajectory as well as the evidence of the Connallys and others establish that the first shot did not strike JBC in the back/armpit. All I am suggesting is that the only wound of JBC that fits being made by CE399 (which must have been the bullet through JFK’s neck) is the thigh wound. And the trajectory through JFK at z190-195 directly to JBC’s left thigh seems to work.

Seems to me that   Zapruder  is backing up Betzner and Willis as well as Harold Normans perception of a 1st shot that was heard , followed by JFK slumping and only AFTER that slumping then was heard a 2nd and or 3rd shot.

Yes, he does.

[Andrew Mason]

  Four seconds is short too.

I understand what you are saying. But in no way (in this context) is four seconds “a very, very short amount of time”.

Yet in that “very, very brief span of time” he had enough time to recognize it as a rifle shot, conclude that an assassination was unfolding, turn around in his jump seat to attempt to see JFK, and then decide to turn back the other way.  Nellie even said he uttered “oh, no, no” before the second shot.

But we don’t have to interpret JBC’s statement.  Many others did that. The interval between the last two was about half that of the interval between 1 and 2. With Oswald shooting, that requires about 4 seconds between 1 and 2.   

Besides, if you think there was an early first shot miss, you don’t accept that his “very, very brief span of time” means what you are suggesting.