When Was JBC Hit?

[Royell Storing]

Now he's trolling "blockbuster" discoveries the "Old Guard" have known and presented for years. Canning had JFK over to his right as far as possible. Connally ended up off his seat only because the limousine drawing Canning used was, unbeknownst to him, highly-flawed.



During their May 1964 reenactment, the FBI had their Kennedy surrogate over to the right as far as possible in the Queen Mary limousine. But the lay-out of the Queen Mary didn't allow for the extra amount of space toward the right that Kennedy had in the SS-100-X. Nonetheless, the FBI and Warren Commission allowed for the variations between the two limousines in their conclusions; some researchers are too stupid or lazy to do that.

  You claim that the, "Old Guard have known and presented for years", my discovery that the TSDB being Wide Open for 2+ Hours. I have been around here a long time and Never seen/heard a peep regarding this issue. Either PROVE your claim or bow out. I'm very interested of your Proof that the TSBD was unsecure for 2+ Hours following the assassination. I got the goods. Let's see what YOU got.

[Royell Storing]

     In the Love Field footage of JFK and Connally getting into and then sitting down inside the Limo, you can Clearly see the position of JFK's (L) Knee relative to the Connally Jump Seat/Backrest. The routinely posted "line" stuff is cartoonish and subjective.

[Andrew Mason]

Canning made reference to "a similar angle in a photograph taken by James Altgens on Houston less than a minute earlier."

I am not sure where you are getting that from.  That is not something Canning ever said.  I am not sure he was aware of Altgens' #5 photo.

Here is Altgens' #5 with sightlines from Altgens to JBC and JFK.


and the projection of these lines onto an overhead of the car:


Showing JBC to be in the middle of his seat.  Canning acknowledged that his placement of JBC for the HSCA was wrong, as I have shown.

Thus, Connally is significantly inboard of Kennedy while on Houston. Since none of Connally's head appears in Betzner, then he must still be as inboard relative to Kennedy as he is seen to be in the Altgens Houston photo.

The issue is not whether JBC is inboard of JFK. The question is how much was he inboard?  Enough for JBC's right armpit to be on a right to left path through JFK's neck?  That just doesn't work - even for a first shot SBT at z222.

[Royell Storing]

  Like I said, that "line" stuff is subjective. Even you guys that continue posting it can Not agree.
  JFK liked tucking himself back into that corner/nook where the backseat backrest meets the passenger side of the vehicle. I believe this position was less stressful on his back. From this position he could also wave while his (R) arm/elbow was resting atop/supported by the side of the car. This made waving easier on his back. A bullet Exiting above JFK's adam's apple would have been hugging the passenger side of the car.

[Andrew Mason]

Your sight-lines are never going to work because your convergence point is wrong and, more importantly, the HSCA limo drawing is deeply flawed. Why you insist on using it, I don't know.


You have Kennedy's back merging into the top of the seat-back. The Towner film and Croft Photo show Kennedy's back about three inches forward of the seat-back's front seam.

The H&E drawing does not show the slope of the seat back.  We can use the sightlines projected onto this composite of the H&E drawing superimposed over your model with your trajectory from the SN through JFK (6.86 degrees to car direction) and mine at z193 (18 degrees to car direction):



I can accept your positions.  What I can't accept is the 6.86 degree angle that you need in order for the SBT to work. The angle from the SN to car direction at z222 was 9.5 degrees:



Your suggestion that JBC's back would have blocked the path to the left thigh with JBC turned as he was at z193 is the issue. As this photo demonstrates, the thigh could well have been on the straight line path:

Connally is not over almost to the door in Z193. So if you're wrong and the SBT is wrong, then there must be another scenario as to what happened.

Connally can be just where you put him, as can JFK. 

The SBT is wrong if "not being in conflict with large bodies of consistent evidence" is the test for correctness.  The scenario as to what happened is explained simply by the evidence of the first shot hitting JFK at around z193 (at which point the angle was around 18 degrees) and the last two shots being closer together, the first of which struck JBC in the right armpit and wrist, leaving fragments deflecting off the radius striking the windshield, windshield frame and the road/curb near Tague.

[Andrew Mason]

"6.86 degrees to car direction" Not me. I use a lateral of 8-degrees, the same angle I figured out on the HSCA map years ago.

Ok.  My measurement was incorrect. The angle that I get for your trajectory line, correctly measured, is 7.5 degrees to the car direction:



You still have a bit of a problem putting JFK in the same position at z222 that he was in Altgens #5, however. He is not leaning against the side of the car in z222-225:


You have his forehead almost above the inside edge of the back seat compartment.  That may have been his position in Altgens #5 but it does not appear to be his position at z222. 

What 9.5 degree angle? I'll give you credit for one thing. You have a knack for taking any map and limo plat, and getting whatever angle you want.

The difference appears to be where we place the rifle.  If your placement is correct, the angle is 8.3 degrees:

The SBT and your Theory are something for the WC critic to, at least, consider.

My rejection of the SBT is based on all the evidence but primarily the evidence of the 1...........2......3 shot pattern, the evidence that JFK reacted to the first shot and the evidence that JBC was struck in the back by the second shot, not the first shot. The trajectory issues, condition of CE399, the concussion effect of the second shot and fragment striking Tague on the second shot, the hair flip on the second shot, Nellie's evidence, the absence of evidence of a missed shot etc. provide further support for the 3 shot, 3 hit shot sequence.

[Royell Storing]

  What you ALL Fail to grasp is that when JFK leaned back into that corner/nook that is created where the backseat backrest meets the passenger side of the car, JFK's head is physically OUTSIDE of the Limo. This is obvious when JFK boards the Limo at Love Field and he then sits/leans back into that nook. In this seated position, there is No Way a bullet exiting JFK's throat above the adam's apple would strike the in-board seated Gov Connally. Also, with his head physically outside of the Limo, a bullet Entering his throat would NOT have to be fired through the windshield.

[Royell Storing]

  Try to stay on topic. The multitude of Facts disproving the SBT have nothing to do with Trump.