The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Jerry Organ]

Ouch, Too bad Oswald ordered and paid for C20-T750 the following month, in mid March!
February < March!

You walked right into that one, didn't you, better luck next time!!

JohnM

The critics think American readers of gun magazines were Carcano experts who wanted an old M91 that was shortened from 50" to 36" and weighed 5 1/2 lbs, if they saw it in an ad.

[John Mytton]

Wikipedia still has a long way to go before it becomes a credible and reliable source, but even if the April issue appeared on news stands at the beginning of March, it still does not alter the fact that he Hidell order form clearly refers to the February issue.

The most remarkable part of this discussion is how LNs are trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

This was supposed to be a simple, normal, transaction. A guy orders a mail order rifle from the February issue of some magazine and either receives that rifle or gets notified it's out of stock.

Here we have, as so often in this case, as massive spin story on how a 36" rifle ordered from the February issue of a magazine somehow turns into an alleged delivery of a 40" rifle that wasn't advertised until the April issue of the same magazine.
Even worse, there isn't even a shred of evidence that any rifle was actually sent to a P.O. box in Dallas and/or was received by anybody.

LNs who actually believe and defend this BS have no sense of reality but could do very well by a applying for a job at Disney Land!

So much hostility for something you don't even understand!

It's not like a pair of shoes or a shirt, it's a rifle, where the extra inches gives more accuracy and is an added bonus!

Besides Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.



Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

So much hostility for something you don't even understand!

It's not like a pair of shoes or a shirt, it's a rifle, where the extra inches gives more accuracy and is an added bonus!

Besides Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.



Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

JohnM

So much hostility for something you don't even understand!

Not this BS again.... Don't you ever grow up?

It's not like a pair of shoes or a shirt, it's a rifle, where the extra inches gives more accuracy and is an added bonus!

Right, so one would expect Klein's to emphasize it in the ads... Can you understand why they didn't?

Besides Oswald ordered C20-T750 and Oswald received C20-T750.

Taking lessons from Joseph Goebbles, are you?

Btw, where is the evidence that Oswald received C20-T750 or anything else? It's the second time I've asked you. Why not simply answer the question?

[John Mytton]

The critics think American readers of gun magazines were Carcano experts who wanted an old M91 that was shortened from 50" to 35" and weighed 5 1/2 lbs, if they saw it in an ad.

Exactly Jerry, the price of the Carcano in the Kleins ad in the April 1963 issue of American Rifleman was close to half the price of the next cheapest rifle and the description was most likely written by some half assed advertising agency, and as you say there was a plethora of problems with that ad, which if Kleins were aware of these problems they never bothered to change the info for the close to a year of Kleins ads that I have seen.
 
So clearly the amount of negative reaction due to the misinformation in the Carcano ad was negligible.

This faux outrage by the CT community is absurd and at the end of the day, the longer Carcano was the better Carcano, so where is the problem? Like I said the slight difference in size had little effect on the finished product, a rifle isn't like a pair of trousers or a pair of shoes where an exact size is required.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly Jerry, the price of the Carcano in the Kleins ad in the April 1963 issue of American Rifleman was close to half the price of the next cheapest rifle and the description was most likely written by some half assed advertising agency, and as you say there was a plethora of problems with that ad, which if Kleins were aware of these problems they never bothered to change the info for the close to a year of Kleins ads that I have seen.
 
So clearly the amount of negative reaction due to the misinformation in the Carcano ad was negligible.

This faux outrage by the CT community is absurd and at the end of the day, the longer Carcano was the better Carcano, so where is the problem? Like I said the slight difference in size had little effect on the finished product, a rifle isn't like a pair of trousers or a pair of shoes where an exact size is required.

JohnM

All this BS for what is supposed to be a simple normal of transaction of a guy ordering a rifle from a magazine ad and actually receiving it.

Hilarious!

[John Mytton]

It's not like a pair of shoes or a shirt, it's a rifle, where the extra inches gives more accuracy and is an added bonus!

Right, so one would expect Klein's to emphasize it in the ads... Can you understand why they didn't?

Listen closely, Kleins couldn't even be bothered changing the item number for an item's slight change in size which clearly indicates how much value Kleins placed on this very cheap war surplus rifle.

You obviously don't understand how big business works!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Listen closely, Kleins couldn't even be bothered changing the item number for an item's slight change in size which clearly indicates how much value Kleins placed on this very cheap war surplus rifle.

You obviously don't understand how big business works!

JohnM

So, Klein's business records can't be relied on after all. Thank you for confirming that.

[John Mytton]

All this BS for what is supposed to be a simple normal of transaction of a guy ordering a rifle from a magazine ad and actually receiving it.

Yes indeed, it was a simple transaction, in the warehouse there was a section where Kleins stocked their Carcano Rifles and regardless of size as seen in various Kliens Sporting Ads, the item number was C20-T750.
So Oswald's order was received by the office and Waldman 7 was filled out, then a warehouse employee went to the section which was identified as stocking C20-T750 and grabbed Oswald's rifle and put the serial number of Oswald's rifle on Waldman 7. And then the rifle was sent to Oswald's PO Box. As simple as that.



JohnM