The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Della Cross]

Would LHO have planned to shoot the president, without also planning an escape? Or did he see something happen on Elm Street that caused him to abandon his escape plan and flee the SBD in panic? 
    After the shooting, LHO behaved in a confused manner.  Walking, bus and taxi took him home, where he grabbed a jacket and pistol, which he could easily have taken to work that morning.  He had no disguise prepared, but went back out on the street anyway, leading to his tragic encounter with Officer Tippit, and to his later arrest. If LHO was cool and coldhearted enough to murder a president, why did he fall apart afterwards? 
      The Mortal Error theory -- that Secret Service agent George Hickey accidentally fired his AR-15 rifle and hit JFK in the head -- may provide an answer.
     As the presidential limo continued down Elm Street, LHO was watching thru his telescopic sight.  His first shot missed, his second shot hit JFK in the upper back, and, as he was lining up his third shot, he would have seen JFK's skull explode from Hickey's AR-15 shot(s).  Instantly, LHO would have known there was another shooter, and that suddenly he was part of something that looked like someone else's assassination plan. He might have felt like a "patsy." The shock of that belief might have sent him into a panic. Thinking he now needed a pistol to defend himself, did he abandon whatever plan he might have prepared, and run helter-skelter for his life?   

[Richard Smith]

Would LHO have planned to shoot the president, without also planning an escape? Or did he see something happen on Elm Street that caused him to abandon his escape plan and flee the SBD in panic? 
    After the shooting, LHO behaved in a confused manner.  Walking, bus and taxi took him home, where he grabbed a jacket and pistol, which he could easily have taken to work that morning.  He had no disguise prepared, but went back out on the street anyway, leading to his tragic encounter with Officer Tippit, and to his later arrest. If LHO was cool and coldhearted enough to murder a president, why did he fall apart afterwards? 
      The Mortal Error theory -- that Secret Service agent George Hickey accidentally fired his AR-15 rifle and hit JFK in the head -- may provide an answer.
     As the presidential limo continued down Elm Street, LHO was watching thru his telescopic sight.  His first shot missed, his second shot hit JFK in the upper back, and, as he was lining up his third shot, he would have seen JFK's skull explode from Hickey's AR-15 shot(s).  Instantly, LHO would have known there was another shooter, and that suddenly he was part of something that looked like someone else's assassination plan. He might have felt like a "patsy." The shock of that belief might have sent him into a panic. Thinking he now needed a pistol to defend himself, did he abandon whatever plan he might have prepared, and run helter-skelter for his life?

Oswald was smart enough to know there was no escape plan after shooting the president in broad daylight in the presence of law enforcement.  He knew that death or arrest was part of the equation to commit this act which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring with his wife.  If you believe the crazy Mortal Error theory that Hickey fired the fatal shot, why would that cause Oswald any shock since he was still the assassin?  He would have been shocked to see JFK killed even though he was trying to do exactly that?  How is Oswald a "patsy" when he is firing shoots at JFK in that theory?    I can understand how a bystander would be shocked, but the guy pulling the trigger?  Not so much.

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald was smart enough to know there was no escape plan after shooting the president in broad daylight in the presence of law enforcement.  He knew that death or arrest was part of the equation to commit this act which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring with his wife.  If you believe the crazy Mortal Error theory that Hickey fired the fatal shot, why would that cause Oswald any shock since he was still the assassin?  He would have been shocked to see JFK killed even though he was trying to do exactly that?  How is Oswald a "patsy" when he is firing shoots at JFK in that theory?    I can understand how a bystander would be shocked, but the guy pulling the trigger?  Not so much.

Why do you keep on spewing this nonsense as if you actually know this guy and what he thought?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Would LHO have planned to shoot the president, without also planning an escape? Or did he see something happen on Elm Street that caused him to abandon his escape plan and flee the SBD in panic? 
    After the shooting, LHO behaved in a confused manner.  Walking, bus and taxi took him home, where he grabbed a jacket and pistol, which he could easily have taken to work that morning.  He had no disguise prepared, but went back out on the street anyway, leading to his tragic encounter with Officer Tippit, and to his later arrest. If LHO was cool and coldhearted enough to murder a president, why did he fall apart afterwards? 
      The Mortal Error theory -- that Secret Service agent George Hickey accidentally fired his AR-15 rifle and hit JFK in the head -- may provide an answer.
     As the presidential limo continued down Elm Street, LHO was watching thru his telescopic sight.  His first shot missed, his second shot hit JFK in the upper back, and, as he was lining up his third shot, he would have seen JFK's skull explode from Hickey's AR-15 shot(s).  Instantly, LHO would have known there was another shooter, and that suddenly he was part of something that looked like someone else's assassination plan. He might have felt like a "patsy." The shock of that belief might have sent him into a panic. Thinking he now needed a pistol to defend himself, did he abandon whatever plan he might have prepared, and run helter-skelter for his life?

Oswald stood up & backed away from the window immediately after his shot-2 at Z218. Even tho he had one shot left.
We know that, from Brennan's testimony.
And Oswald knew that Oswald had hit jfk, in the back, at Z218.
And Oswald then saw Hickey blow jfk's head open at Z313.
So, Oswald knew that Hickey had killed jfk.
But, Oswald could not be sure that Oswald had also, or already, killed jfk, ie Oswald could not be sure that his shot-2 would have killed jfk anyhow.
If Oswald thort that his shot-2 was not fatal or potentially non-fatal then Oswald's later actions dont make sense.
If Oswald thort that his shot-2  was non-fatal then why would Oswald shoot Tippit?
If Tippit arrested Oswald then Oswald would be facing say a max of 20  years (for the attempted killing of a president out of season without a permit), out in say 15, & would be making millions from a book in say 1978, aged 39.
But he killed Tippit, guaranteeing the electric chair if caught.
Oswald must have had a very good escape plan (worth risking the chair)(compared to risking 20 years), probly the safe house plan, but how good was that?
I think the safe house was not a good plan.
Clearly it was an afterthort.
If it was a proper plan then he would have found some way of placing his junk in the safe house before the shooting, instead of leaving his junk at his boarding house.
It duznt make much sense.
If Oswald stood trial then Hickey would have faced a few years jail for negligent homicide. Out in a year or two. And Hickey then makes millions from his own book.
Oswald was one of only two witnesses who saw Hickey shoot.
No, the second witness was not Holland. Holland saw Hickey stand up & fall with a machine gun in his hands, & praps he saw Hickey shoot, but i dont think that Holland was a witness that could say that Hickey shot jfk in the head.
Oswald was a witness that could say that Hickey shot jfk in the head.

[Della Cross]

Richard Smith wrote:  "Oswald was smart enough to know there was no escape plan after shooting the president in broad daylight in the presence of law enforcement.  He knew that death or arrest was part of the equation to commit this act which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring with his wife.  If you believe the crazy Mortal Error theory that Hickey fired the fatal shot, why would that cause Oswald any shock since he was still the assassin...?"

Hi, Richard.  Thanks for your reply.  If LHO knew "there was no escape," then why did he try so desperately to escape?  His escape from the SBD showed all the signs of a panicked criminal, who was even willing to kill a cop to get away.  Therefore, I disagree with you in this regard.  LHO was clearly and frantically trying to escape.  As for the Mortal Error theory, you may disagree with it, as many do, but if you've read the book you know it's not a "crazy" idea.  It's a ballistics-based theory with no axe to grind, an idea that is clearly and logically presented. And, if there was no accidental shot(s) from a Secret Service agent, why did the Secret Service work so hard and viciously to erase evidence?  While JFK was still in Parkland, a Secret Service agent removed blood spatter from the presidential limo. Altering a crime scene is something that law enforcement agencies never do. A SS agent threatened a doctor at Parkland to keep his mouth shut.  At the autopsy in Washington, SS agents confiscated the president's brain.  An x-ray technician in Washington was ordered by the SS to fake evidence by taping Mannlicher bullet fragments to bones. Dino Brugioni, who worked at the NPIC lab in Washington, was shown the original Z film on Saturday evening, Nov. 23.  by two SS agents. He said this original film showed the head shot causing a fragment of JFK's skull to fly into the air, frames that do not appear on subsequent versions of the film. These, and numerous other SS actions, were clearly aimed at covering something up.  If not the accidental shot by George Hickey, then what is the SS concealing? The sight of that explosive head shot hitting JFK must have been traumatic and shocking to LHO, as it is to everyone who sees it.  Whatever LHO's frame of mind before, that shot caused shock. Suddenly panicked, LHO thought that he had gotten himself into something that went far beyond the schemes of his own murderous mind. And he ran for his life.     

[Sean Kneringer]

Funny how Oswald's co-conspirator on the Knoll had help to escape but Oswald had to make it up on the fly with buses and cabs.

[Charles Collins]

The evidence suggests that LHO was capable of planning an escape. And that, in the relatively little time he had to plan an escape, he planned to at least attempt one. Hiding the rifle near the stairwell was not an action that someone in a blind panic would likely do. Trying to act normal and blending in with other people was his best hope of getting away from the scene. Changing his appearance to make it more difficult to track him was another part of his escape plan. It appears to me that he was seen firing a rifle while wearing his white t-shirt. When Baker and Truly saw him on the second floor just seconds after the shooting he appeared to be in a “jacket”, which I think was just his shirt with the tail hanging out. Then only seconds later, he was seen wearing a white t-shirt. Putting on a light colored jacket as he left the rooming house and shedding it during the run from the Tippit murder scene is apparently another one of his changing his appearance acts. David Belin’s theory of where LHO was headed when he left the rooming house (southbound bus) with the bus transfer makes the most sense of any of the various theories to me. I read the book “Mortal Error.” I think it is one of the most ridiculous theories that I have read about.

[Fergus O'Brien]

Would LHO have planned to shoot the president, without also planning an escape? Or did he see something happen on Elm Street that caused him to abandon his escape plan and flee the SBD in panic? 
    After the shooting, LHO behaved in a confused manner.  Walking, bus and taxi took him home, where he grabbed a jacket and pistol, which he could easily have taken to work that morning.  He had no disguise prepared, but went back out on the street anyway, leading to his tragic encounter with Officer Tippit, and to his later arrest. If LHO was cool and coldhearted enough to murder a president, why did he fall apart afterwards? 
      The Mortal Error theory -- that Secret Service agent George Hickey accidentally fired his AR-15 rifle and hit JFK in the head -- may provide an answer.
     As the presidential limo continued down Elm Street, LHO was watching thru his telescopic sight.  His first shot missed, his second shot hit JFK in the upper back, and, as he was lining up his third shot, he would have seen JFK's skull explode from Hickey's AR-15 shot(s).  Instantly, LHO would have known there was another shooter, and that suddenly he was part of something that looked like someone else's assassination plan. He might have felt like a "patsy." The shock of that belief might have sent him into a panic. Thinking he now needed a pistol to defend himself, did he abandon whatever plan he might have prepared, and run helter-skelter for his life?

firstly before we assert as a given and fact that a person committed a crime we need to have proof that they did commit that crime . certainly their is circumstantial evidence against oswald ,so in that sense i could understand people seeing this or being told about it and having an opinion based on it . but a lot of  that circumstantial evidence can be questioned , disputed or disproven . everyone is entitled to their opinion on this case , however entitlement to an opinion is one thing , no one has any entitlement to be right .

as for the hickey theory people are entitled to their opinion on it , my opinion ? is that its a nonsense .