The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Martin Weidmann]

All very good points but I just would like to add;

Oswald happened to work in the building with a clear view of when the shots took place.
Even though there was only black men and women in the windows facing Elm street, the first Police radio report said a white slim male about 30(Oswald early balding fits) was doing the shooting.
Oswald is on film admitting that he was inn the building at the time without any other alibi.
The 3 distinctly different fibers on the rifle just happened to match the 3 distinctly different fibers shirt he was wearing when arrested, and we know the prohibitive probability is extremely unlikely that they came from elsewhere.
The first cop killed by a firearm in Dallas for years just happened to occur at a time and place that was between Oswald's confirmed leaving the Rooming house and when he was arrested.
The jacket that was discovered in a Parking lot that he just happened to b e seen entering while wearing a jacket.

What an unlucky son of a gun.

JohnM

Oswald happened to work in the building with a clear view of when the shots took place.
Even though there was only black men and women in the windows facing Elm street, the first Police radio report said a white slim male about 30(Oswald early balding fits) was doing the shooting.

Wow, now that's what I call rock solid evidence ...BS. Oswald worked in the building so he must be guilty. John just didn't lower the bar for evidence, he buried it 10 feet down.

Oswald is on film admitting that he was inn the building at the time without any other alibi.

Oswald admitted no such thing. All he did was reply to a question by a reporter, saying that he worked in the building, so of course he was inside.

The 3 distinctly different fibers on the rifle just happened to match the 3 distinctly different fibers shirt he was wearing when arrested, and we know the prohibitive probability is extremely unlikely that they came from elsewhere.

Too bad that John can't produce a shred of evidence that shows that Oswald was wearing the same shirt in the morning and at his arrest. And of course John misrepresents the fact that there is a match between 3 fibers when in fact no such thing as a conclusive match can be made.

The first cop killed by a firearm in Dallas for years just happened to occur at a time and place that was between Oswald's confirmed leaving the Rooming house and when he was arrested.

Not true, again... the 10th street location where Tippit was shot is in no way between Oswald's roominghouse and the Texas Theater.

The jacket that was discovered in a Parking lot that he just happened to b e seen entering while wearing a jacket.

What jacket would that be? The white one found by an unidentified officer, or the light gray one that Captain Westbrook somehow obtained and presented to the evidence room with initials on it from officers who never were in the car park (and thus the chain of custody) where allegedly the jacket was found.

And what John, of course, doesn't tell you is that Wesley Buell Frazier and Marina Oswald actually saw Oswald wearing his light gray jacket when he travelled to Irving on Thursday evening. In her testimony Marina actually identified CE 162 as the jacket she had seen, which justifies the question how a jacket that Oswald was wearing in Irving on Thursday evening can end up in the hands of Captain Westbrook on Friday afternoon at around 3 PM? I suggest you don't wait for a reply from John, because you will never get one. At best he'll post some spin and gifs.

[Martin Weidmann]

There's way more than a shred of evidence! You're not only an embarrassment to this Forum but the you're an embarrassment to the entire Human Race!





JohnM

Insults instead of actual evidence. Precisely what you can expect from Mytton when he gets stuck.

None of the Klein's documents actually show that Oswald owned a rifle. At best, the order form and money order proves that Oswald filled out those documents. And of course, a photograph of Oswald holding a rifle, taken some 8 months prior to the assassination, does not prove ownership of a rifle in November 1963.

This is, yet again, just another case where a desperate prosecutor is trying to use some questionable documents to build a circumstantial argument which he then hopes will somehow turn into actual evidence.

Btw, did you notice that John just completely ignored everything else I said and just focused on what he foolishly believed he can prove with some photocopies and a photograph? The conclusion must be that even John understands that he there isn't a shred of evidence that Oswald kept a rifle at Ruth Paine's garage, that he took it to the TSBD and/or that it even was the MC rifle that was found on the 6th floor.

It's wise to pay more attention to what LNs don't say rather than the BS the do say.

[John Mytton]

No true, again... the 10th street location where Tippit was shot is in no way between Oswald's roominghouse and the Texas Theater.

Forgetting for a moment that almost a Dozen eyewitnesses confirmed seeing Oswald carrying a gun close to the Tippit crime scene, of course the location where Tippit was shot is in between the two confirmed locations where I said Oswald was, just because the murdering Oswald was avoiding the main roads and was not walking directly as the crow flies only adds to his consciousness of guilt.

And getting back to how unlucky Oswald was, out of the close to 400 square miles of Dallas, here's Oswald who in two confirmed locations, first the Rooming House was only 0.8 miles away and secondly the Texas Theatre was just 0.7 miles away from the Tippit crime scene! And considering that no cop in Dallas was shot in years, the time of Tippit being shot just happens to be between those two confirmed sightings of Oswald.
What an unlucky son of a gun.



JohnM

[John Mytton]

The bottom line is that Richard hasn't got a shred of evidence that Oswald owned a rifle,

At best, the order form and money order proves that Oswald filled out those documents. And of course, a photograph of Oswald holding a rifle, taken some 8 months prior to the assassination, does not prove ownership of a rifle in November 1963.

Thank you, so there is more than a shred of evidence that Oswald owned a rifle.

JohnM

[Richard Smith]

Thank you, so there is more than a shred of evidence that Oswald owned a rifle.

JohnM

All we have is a picture of Oswald holding the rifle and documents that confirm he was sent the rifle.  His prints were also found on the rifle.  HA HA HA.  Why haven't you invented a time machine to prove it to the subjective satisfaction of a loon?   

[John Mytton]

Utter BS and exactly what can be expected from you.

The whole thing is idiotic hyperbole. Just because you can't understand that there doesn't have to be an "enormity of deception", Oswald must have done it alone. There just one problem; you don't have and can't present conclusive proof of that foolish leap of faith.

I see hours later you added more than your first two words "Utter BS", and you even personalized those words against me with a nasty little sentence, which hurts oh so much!

The whole thing is idiotic hyperbole. Just because you can't understand that there doesn't have to be an "enormity of deception", Oswald must have done it alone. There just one problem; you don't have and can't present conclusive proof of that foolish leap of faith.

And next comes the meaningless rhetoric of what you initially were trying to say.

There's two ways of looking at the JFKA;

1) The Occam's razor approach, Oswald ordered a mail order rifle and took it to work and killed the President.

Or

2) The CT approach, where everything and anything needs to be possible, or plain and simply any conspiracy just won't work.

The following compiled list reflects the effort for just a tiny fraction of a planned conspiracy, the faking of Oswald's Hidell alias.

The Hidell ID was manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID was planted by the Police
The Hidell ID negatives were manufactured by conspirators
The Hidell ID negatives were planted by conspirators in the Paine residence
The Hidell name was inserted by conspirators into the New Orleans post box application records.
The Hidell name was connected To Oswald's New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was used as The "Chapter President" of Oswald's made up Cuba Committee by conspirators.
The Hidell name was forged by conspirators onto Oswald's "Fair Play for Cuba" leaflets
The Hidell name was written on membership cards by conspirators other than Marina, who must have lied.
The Hidell name was a play on "Fidel" according to Marina who must have lied
The Hidell name was forged onto the Kliens coupon
The Hidell Kleins coupon addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Kliens microfilm
The Hidell name was forged onto the Kleins envelope
The Hidell Kleins Envelope addressed to Oswald was forged onto the Kleins microfilm
The Hidell name on on the Kleins Coupon found by Waldman on the night following the assassination was forgotten?
The Hidell rifle was never sent to Oswald's PO box
The Hidell newly manufactured microfilm was substituted at some point with Kleins business records microfilm.
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or Police lied
The Hidell ID was admitted by Oswald or a Postal official lied
The Hidell ID was asked of Oswald or an FBI agent lied
The Hidell name was forged onto Oswald Job applications as a reference
The Hidell rifle was photographed with Oswald by either forgery or trickery
The Hidell rifle was planted on the 6th floor of Oswald's work by conspirators
The Hidell revolver coupon was forged by conspirators
The Hidell name was forged onto the Seaport-Traders paperwork
The Hidell revolver was lied about by the Police
The Hidell revolver was substituted by Police
And on and on it goes!

But instead when faced with their very own posts, the obvious enormity of conspiracy and the amount of deception required, CT's like Martin say blank faced without a worry in the World, and I'm paraphrasing here, "any conspiracy I've talked about endlessly for thousands of posts was just very small with possibly just a few people involved" and yes this is seriously how they think!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

All we have is a picture of Oswald holding the rifle and documents that confirm he was sent the rifle.  His prints were also found on the rifle.  HA HA HA.  Why haven't you invented a time machine to prove it to the subjective satisfaction of a loon?

Even with a time machine they will believe that someone is tricking their eyes but it does remind me of a joke;

A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to Heaven. God says, “Welcome! Do you have any questions?”

“Yeah, who really shot JFK?”

“Oh, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. He acted alone.”

“Man, this goes higher than I thought.”

 

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

Even with a time machine they will believe that someone is tricking their eyes but it does remind me of a joke;

A conspiracy theorist dies and goes to Heaven. God says, “Welcome! Do you have any questions?”

“Yeah, who really shot JFK?”

“Oh, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. He acted alone.”

“Man, this goes higher than I thought.”

 

JohnM

A good one John, but sadly, that really is the depth of their mindsets. And the reason the controversy will go on and on and on.