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Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2023, 03:44:44 PM »
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2023, 03:53:29 PM »
There is no evidence that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other.

Yes, they are in a photograph from 1955, but Ferrie always admitted that Oswald was vaguely familiar.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-david-ferrie-know-lee-harvey-oswald

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-david-ferrie-introduce-jack-martin-to-lee-harvey-oswald-in-banister-s-office

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-lee-harvey-oswald-have-david-ferrie-s-library-card

fred

There is a veritable mountain of evidence that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other. Even Dr. David Kaiser acknowledges that there is clear evidence that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other. The Clinton witnesses alone should convince any objective observer that the two knew each other. I find it impossible to dismiss all the eyewitness accounts of Oswald and Ferrie being together as "mistaken," especially given Ferrie's unique, unforgettable appearance and Oswald's nearly universal post-assassination face recognition.

I present some of the evidence of an Oswald-Ferrie association in my book.

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2023, 04:02:46 PM »
You might want to read my series on Clinton. I have now presented eight parts with about twelve to go.

Ferrie, Shaw and Oswald were NOT in Clinton.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-david-ferrie-in-clinton

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-origin-of-the-clinton-jackson-stories

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/why-did-the-clinton-jackson-witnesses-not-come-forward

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-clinton-jackson-witnesses-and-the-ku-klux-klan

There is more on my site. I have a major bombshell that is coming soon on Clinton.

Stay tuned.

fred

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2023, 04:22:14 PM »
You might want to read my series on Clinton. I have now presented eight parts with about twelve to go.

Ferrie, Shaw and Oswald were NOT in Clinton.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-david-ferrie-in-clinton

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-origin-of-the-clinton-jackson-stories

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/why-did-the-clinton-jackson-witnesses-not-come-forward

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-clinton-jackson-witnesses-and-the-ku-klux-klan

There is more on my site. I have a major bombshell that is coming soon on Clinton.

Stay tuned.

fred

I've read those articles. I think they engage in a lot of severe nit-picking and special pleading, and that they ignore the weight of the evidence, especially given the status of the Clinton witnesses.

Regarding the photo that proves that Ferrie and Oswald were in the same CAP unit, we should remember that the man who took that photo, fellow CAP member Chuck Frances, told the FBI that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/glimpses-of-a-life/).

Yet, when Ferrie was questioned after the assassination, he falsely claimed he never knew Oswald. No one yet knew at that point that Ferrie and Oswald had served in the same small CAP unit together. Why did Ferrie lie about knowing Oswald? Why didn't Ferrie just say, "Oh, he was in my CAP unit back in the late 1950s, but I haven't seen him since"? Why the false claim that he had never known Oswald?

It should be remembered that when the Secret Service briefly interviewed Ferrie shortly after his suspicious "skating trip" to Houston on the night of the assassination, they asked him if he had ever loaned his library card to Oswald. Obviously, they would not have asked him this question if they had not had a reason to believe he did or may have done so--you can't loan your library card to someone you've never been around.
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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2023, 05:14:07 PM »
You clearly have not read my article:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-david-ferrie-know-lee-harvey-oswald

Ferrie did  tell the FBI that Oswald was vaguely familiar. His friends told him he had briefly served
with Oswald in CAP. Then Ferrie actually called the FBI and told them, yes, I was with Oswald.

Fred

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2023, 08:16:38 PM »
I address these attacks in my book.

I think anyone who watches Cummings' interview will conclude that he was a sincere and reluctant witness.


Sincere?

Mr CUMINGS. We talked at length on the way to the address he had given me, several months later and to the best of my memory....
From the video in the OP.
 
Oswald hardly spoke at all, much less with people he didn't know, and Cummings says that several months later out of the possible hundreds of passengers* later he recognizes Oswald from seeing Oswald that one solitary time?

Mr. BALL - On the way back and forth did you talk very much to each other?
Mr. FRAZIER - No. sir: not very much. lie is. probably in your line of business you have probably seen a lot of guys who talk a lot and some don't and he was one of these types that just didn't talk.


Mr. BALL. Is that what you said?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that is not what I said, but that is the reason I didn't call one at the time and I asked him where he wanted to go. And he said, "500 North Beckley."
Well, I started up, I started to that address, and the police cars, the sirens was going, running crisscrossing everywhere, just a big uproar in that end of town and I said, "What the hell. I wonder what the hell is the uproar?"
And he never said anything. So I figured he was one of these people that don't like to talk so I never said any more to him.


*While not conclusive, Whaley had about 20 passengers on the 22nd of November.


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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2023, 12:56:20 PM »
You clearly have not read my article:

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-david-ferrie-know-lee-harvey-oswald

Ferrie did  tell the FBI that Oswald was vaguely familiar. His friends told him he had briefly served
with Oswald in CAP. Then Ferrie actually called the FBI and told them, yes, I was with Oswald.

Fred

When Ferrie was first asked about Oswald, he insisted he had never known him.

Again, the CAP member who took the Oswald-Ferrie CAP photo, Chuck Frances, told the FBI that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other.

Literally dozens of other people stated that they saw Oswald and Ferrie together or that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other. I just don't buy the argument that they were all lying or mistaken.

One of the more compelling accounts came from INS officer Wendell Roache. Roache told the Church Committee that during INS surveillance, Oswald was seen going into the offices of David Ferrie’s anti-Castro group in New Orleans, and that “Oswald was known to be one of the men in the group," as I discuss and document in A Comforting Lie.

I agree with Dr. David Kaiser that “from all the available evidence it is clear that Oswald knew Ferrie, and Ferrie in turn was closely linked to both Marcello and the New Orleans anti-Castro Cuban community” (The Road to Dallas, p. 203). I recommend readers check out Kaiser's discussion on the Oswald-Ferrie link.

I get the feeling that WC apologists reject Cummings' account automatically, that they never actually give it serious consideration but reflexively start looking for any reason/excuse to reject it.

Cummings never sought to profit from coming forward. He never sought out journalists or newspapers. He went straight to law enforcement people. He made no exotic or wild claims. He just said, to paraphrase, "I drove the guy with the weird appearance and Oswald to the Carousel Club, along with a third man whom I can't identify, and a few months earlier I drove Oswald from the bus station to a house. When I drove Oswald and Ferrie and the other man to that club, Oswald mentioned that he remembered me from the previous trip." That's it. I think most objective people would consider that to be a believable, low-key, no-frills account.

I don't understand how anyone can watch Cummings' videotaped comments and conclude that he was insincere, much less that he was a "publicity-seeking nut."

As I mentioned, I find it curious that WC defenders gladly believe Jack Ruby's problematic claims about his motives, his entrance into the police basement, his obvious stalking of Oswald, his Mafia ties, his presence at Parkland Hospital soon after the shooting, and his involvement in the assassination, but they summarily reject Cummings' account and look for any reason to question his character.

Cummings never beat up anybody, but Ruby did. Cummings was not involved in gun running, but Ruby was. Cummings did not have extensive Mafia ties, but Ruby did. No reliable IRS informant ever said that Cummings had foreknowledge of JFK's murder, but a reliable IRS informant who worked undercover among Dallas underworld figures said that Ruby knew JFK was going to be killed (A Comforting Lie, pp. 28-30). Yet WC defenders believe Ruby and reject Cummings.

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Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2023, 01:02:24 PM »
Michael: You say:

"Literally dozens of other people stated that they saw Oswald and Ferrie together or that Oswald and Ferrie knew each other."

Who are these dozens? Lets go over them, one by one.

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Re: Oswald And Ferrie Seen Together By Dallas Cab Driver
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2023, 01:02:24 PM »