Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin Weidmann---12.33.00 Adams and Styles encounter a police officer, somewhere near the North Western corner of the TSBD, and are told to go back to the building. The women walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension,

12:36 -This encounter with the cop really takes place at 12:36, not at 12:33 as per the timeline, when the building is sealed off by Sargeant Harkness which he states as 12:36

Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Had the building been sealed off at that time?
Mr. HARKNESS - Not to my knowledge. There were several officers around it, but I don't know whether it had been sealed off or not.
Mr. BELIN - In the process of sealing off the building, what did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - Asked for a squad.
Mr. BELIN - How long did it take you after that to have the back part sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - The guard was arriving by the time I got off my motorcycle. There was already additional squads en route.
Mr. BELIN - How soon after 12:36 p.m., would you say the building was sealed off?
Mr. HARKNESS - It was sealed off then because I was back there and two other men.
Mr. BELIN - You are talking about the back part of the building?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.

12:37 INSP Sawyer locks down the front door at 12:37

Mr. SAWYER. Just took a quick look around and made sure there was nobody hiding on that floor. I doubt if it took over a minute at the most.
Mr. BELIN. To go up and look around and come down?
Mr. SAWYER. To look around on the floor. How long it took to go up, it couldn't have been over 3 minutes at the most from the time we left, got up and back down
Mr. BELIN. Then that would put it around no sooner than 12:37, if you heard the call at 12:34?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Then you got down and what did you do?
Mr. SAWYER. I asked the Sergeant to doublecheck the security around the building, and then I took two patrolmen and stationed them at the front door and told them, with instructions not to let anybody in or out.
Mr. BELIN. Now up to the time you did this, had anyone else sealed off the building, that you know of?
Mr. SAWYER. When I arrived, the sergeant told me he had the building sealed off. There were officers all around the building. To the best of my recollection, there was no officer actually stationed on the front door, at the front door. There was some on the sidewalk in front of the front door, and also, as far as I know, had no instructions been issued to anyone to let anybody in or out.
Mr. BELIN. So yours would have been the first instructions to stop traffic from coming in and out of the front door, am I correct in that?

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12:35 Shelley, Lovelady encounter at 12:35

Bill Lovelady, FBI Affidavit  March 19, 1964:

“I recall, that following the shooting, I ran toward the spot that President Kennedy’s car had stopped. William Shelley and myself stayed in that area for approximately five minutes when we then re-entered the Depository building by the side door located on the west side of the building.....”

This coincides with Vickie Adams sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor while hurrying to the back of the building.

Feel free to ask all the questions you want. Make sure they are relevant or have purpose, or they are not something that is obvious, or about something you can answer for yourself.

12:36 -This encounter with the cop really takes place at 12:36, not at 12:33 as per the timeline, when the building is sealed off by Sargeant Harkness which he states as 12:36

When you start with a wrong assumption you will get a wrong answer. In this case the wrong assumption is that the police officer who told Adams to go back in the building was one of the officers that was sealing off the building.

As I have already stated in a previous post, Lovelady testified there were policemen running to the area west of the TSBD when he and Shelley were going there. That was well before the building was sealed off.

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.

I guess you just ignored that.

12:35 Shelley, Lovelady encounter at 12:35

Bill Lovelady, FBI Affidavit  March 19, 1964:

“I recall, that following the shooting, I ran toward the spot that President Kennedy’s car had stopped. William Shelley and myself stayed in that area for approximately five minutes when we then re-entered the Depository building by the side door located on the west side of the building.....”

This coincides with Vickie Adams sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor while hurrying to the back of the building.

Actually, it does no such thing. It just shows that Lovelady estimated that he and Shelley stayed in the area west of the building for approximately five minutes. There is no mention of Vickie Adams. That's all in your mind.

Feel free to ask all the questions you want. Make sure they are relevant or have purpose, or they are not something that is obvious, or about something you can answer for yourself.

Well, I've asked you a number of times now for evidence to back up this claim;

The evidence that Adams and Styles never left the 4th floor until four minutes after is everywhere.

and you still haven't provided it.... So, I'll guess, if I answer it for myself, the answer must be that you are just blowing smoke and haven't got a shred of evidence to prove anything.

In other words, nothing has changed in 3,5 years. But no worries, that's common for fanatical zealots who try to defend the indefensible.

[Jack Nessan]

12:36 -This encounter with the cop really takes place at 12:36, not at 12:33 as per the timeline, when the building is sealed off by Sargeant Harkness which he states as 12:36

When you start with a wrong assumption you will get a wrong answer. In this case the wrong assumption is that the police officer who told Adams to go back in the building was one of the officers that was sealing off the building.

As I have already stated in a previous post, Lovelady testified there were policemen running to the area west of the TSBD when he and Shelley were going there. That was well before the building was sealed off.

I guess you just ignored that.

12:35 Shelley, Lovelady encounter at 12:35


Bill Lovelady, FBI Affidavit  March 19, 1964:

“I recall, that following the shooting, I ran toward the spot that President Kennedy’s car had stopped. William Shelley and myself stayed in that area for approximately five minutes when we then re-entered the Depository building by the side door located on the west side of the building.....”

This coincides with Vickie Adams sighting of Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor while hurrying to the back of the building.

Actually, it does no such thing. It just shows that Lovelady estimated that he and Shelley stayed in the area west of the building for approximately five minutes. There is no mention of Vickie Adams. That's all in your mind.

Feel free to ask all the questions you want. Make sure they are relevant or have purpose, or they are not something that is obvious, or about something you can answer for yourself.

Well, I've asked you a number of times now for evidence to back up this claim;

and you still haven't provided it.... So, I'll guess, if I answer it for myself, the answer must be that you are just blowing smoke and haven't got a shred of evidence to prove anything.

In other words, nothing has changed in 3,5 years. But no worries, that's common for fanatical zealots who try to defend the indefensible.

THEN:2020

Martin Weidmann Timeline----12.33.00 Adams and Styles encounter a police officer, somewhere near the North Western corner of the TSBD, and are told to go back to the building. The women walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension, towards the parallel road in the front of the building.


NOW: 2024

MW-- “BS. The back of the building wasn't locked down until 12:36. There were no officers stationed behind the building before that. In the interview, Vickie Adams states that when she left the building, she saw an officer standing near Houston street talking to a man in plain clothes, but they were not watching the building and didn't see her.”

MW--"The officer(s) that told Adams and Styles to return to the building was at the west side of the building where Lovelady saw them;”

MW--“When you start with a wrong assumption you will get a wrong answer. In this case the wrong assumption is that the police officer who told Adams to go back in the building was one of the officers that was sealing off the building.

HUH? So what happened to the officer, now according to you. just wandering around and stopping them at the North West corner of the building?  Really, an officer telling them to go back into the building is passing the time of day with friendly conversation but apparently not “sealing off the building.”  Which Sgt Harkness stated took place at 12:36. The only people this officer is known to have told is Adams and Styles?

Speaking of asking questions. I asked, do you consider yourself an unreliable opinion. Don’t bother answering, I have the answer. It is yes. Multiple explanations to the same event.

[Martin Weidmann]

THEN:2020

Martin Weidmann Timeline----12.33.00 Adams and Styles encounter a police officer, somewhere near the North Western corner of the TSBD, and are told to go back to the building. The women walk along side the railway track, west of the TSBD and it's warehouse extension, towards the parallel road in the front of the building.


NOW: 2024

MW-- “BS. The back of the building wasn't locked down until 12:36. There were no officers stationed behind the building before that. In the interview, Vickie Adams states that when she left the building, she saw an officer standing near Houston street talking to a man in plain clothes, but they were not watching the building and didn't see her.”

MW--"The officer(s) that told Adams and Styles to return to the building was at the west side of the building where Lovelady saw them;”

MW--“When you start with a wrong assumption you will get a wrong answer. In this case the wrong assumption is that the police officer who told Adams to go back in the building was one of the officers that was sealing off the building.

HUH? So what happened to the officer, now according to you. just wandering around and stopping them at the North West corner of the building?  Really, an officer telling them to go back into the building is passing the time of day with friendly conversation but apparently not “sealing off the building.”  Which Sgt Harkness stated took place at 12:36. The only people this officer is known to have told is Adams and Styles?

Speaking of asking questions. I asked, do you consider yourself an unreliable opinion. Don’t bother answering, I have the answer. It is yes. Multiple explanations to the same event.

I'm beginning to wonder if you live in your own fantasy world.

HUH? So what happened to the officer, now according to you. just wandering around and stopping them at the North West corner of the building?  Really, an officer telling them to go back into the building is passing the time of day with friendly conversation but apparently not “sealing off the building.”

Once again you misrepresent what I said. I never said anything about a police officer "just wandering around" or "passing the time of day with a friendly conversation". You seem to be under the flawed impression that every single police officer that ran towards the west area of the TSBD must have been part of the officers who were tasked with sealing off the building.

And, of course, you ignore that fact that Lovelady and Shelley were walking/running to that same area well before Sawyer arrived. Lovelady testified that he saw policemen running out that way.

Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I asked who told her. She said he had been shot so we asked her was she for certain or just had she seen the shot hit him or--she said yes, she had been right close to it to see and she had saw the blood and knew he had been hit but didn't know how serious it was and so the crowd had started towards the railroad tracks back, you know, behind our building there and we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street. We went as far as the first tracks and everybody was hollering and crying and policemen started running out that way and we said we better get back into the building, so we went back into the west entrance on the back dock had that low ramp and went into the back dock back inside the building.

and Shelley testified that he "watched them to searching cars down there in the parking lots"

Mr. BALL - What did you and Billy Lovelady do?
Mr. SHELLEY - We walked on down to the first railroad track there on the dead-end street and stood there and watched them searching cars down there in the parking lots for a little while and then we came in through our parking lot at the west end.
Mr. BALL - At the west end?

This may be over your head, but the combined testimony of Lovelady and Shelley shows there were officers in the parking lot searching cars before Swayer had even arrived. You may think otherwise, but it's not unsual for police officer to tell people to return where they came from to prevent a potential crime scene from being contaminated.

The only people this officer is known to have told is Adams and Styles?

Yes, we don't know who else he told, but that doesn't really matter. We know that he told Adams and Styles and that's enough.

Speaking of asking questions. I asked, do you consider yourself an unreliable opinion. Don’t bother answering, I have the answer. It is yes. Multiple explanations to the same event.

It's clear by now that you don't like my time line, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. If I made a mistake you are more than welcome to tell me and provide at least a shred of evidence for it, instead of all sorts of assumptions.
In other words, if you can show that my time line doesn't work or is wrong, I'll be more than happy to be persuaded by your arguments. As it stands, however, you are not presenting much of an argument. In fact, all your previous comments about the time line seem now to have been reduced to a sort of unsupported claim that the officer who told Adams and Styles to return to the building was involved in the sealing of the evidence.

You could for instance start by presenting the evidence to back up this claim, as I have asked you to do multiple times;

The evidence that Adams and Styles never left the 4th floor until four minutes after is everywhere.

your obvious refusal to provide that evidence doesn't do your credibility any good.

[John Mytton]

The WC ignored Adam's because she didn't make the slightest bit of sense.

1. The passenger elevator was by far the closest way to the 1st floor, but instead Adam's claims she first went to the back of the building to ride on a freight elevator? As if!
2. Garner didn't know where the girls went but for some reason Garner didn't explore the Passenger elevator first but went straight to the freight elevator and/or the rear stairs. As if!
3. Styles later recalled that they first went to the Passenger elevator which under the circumstances is the best answer and perfectly logical.
4. Upon reentry Adams went immediately to the passenger elevator to reach the 4th floor, she doesn't say she immediately went to the back of the building to catch the freight elevator.
5. Adams said in multiple interviews that she saw Lovelady and Shelley when she reached the 1st floor, impossible if she left immediately.
6. After hours of interrogation, Oswald slipped up and told Harry Holmes, "when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs.""

In Conclusion, Oswald had PLENTY of time to sneak down the stairs.
Case Closed!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

The WC ignored Adam's because she didn't make the slightest bit of sense.

1. The passenger elevator was by far the closest way to the 1st floor, but instead Adam's claims she first went to the back of the building to ride on a freight elevator? As if!
2. Garner didn't know where the girls went but for some reason Garner didn't explore the Passenger elevator first but went straight to the freight elevator and/or the rear stairs. As if!
3. Styles later recalled that they first went to the Passenger elevator which under the circumstances is the best answer and perfectly logical.
4. Upon reentry Adams said she immediately went to the passenger elevator to reach the 4th floor, she doesn't say she immediately went to the back of the building to catch the freight elevator.
5. Adams said in multiple interviews that she saw Lovelady and Shelley when she reached the 1st floor, impossible if she left immediately.
6. After hours of interrogation, Oswald slipped up and told Harry Holmes, "when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs.""

In Conclusion, Oswald had PLENTY of time to sneak down the stairs.
Case Closed!

JohnM

First of all, let me just ask who you are talking to?

The WC ignored Adam's because she didn't make the slightest bit of sense.

In your opinion, right? Too bad that we have made sense of it after all. I'm sorry you don't like that.

1. The passenger elevator was by far the closest way to the 1st floor, but instead Adam's claims she first went to the back of the building to ride on a freight elevator? As if!

What you believe Adams should have done is superseded by what Adams said she actually did. It is of no importance or significance that you don't want to accept it.

2. Garner didn't know where the girls went but for some reason Garner didn't explore the Passenger elevator first but went straight to the freight elevator and/or the rear stairs. As if!

Garner knew exactly where the girls went, when she heard them on the stairs after following them to the storage area. Again, it is of no importance or significance that you don't want to accept it.

3. Styles later recalled that they first went to the Passenger elevator which under the circumstances is the best answer and perfectly logical.

Yeah right... Styles remembered every detail of what happened some 48 years after the event, when prior to that she said that she could be wrong and Adams' was probably right.

4. Upon reentry Adams said she immediately went to the passenger elevator to reach the 4th floor, she doesn't say she immediately went to the back of the building to catch the freight elevator.

No she told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she left the window immediately to go to the stairs and when she did that she heard the elevators move.

Btw, "immediately" is that after 15 seconds or 30 seconds or whatever is in your little dictionary?   

5. Adams said in multiple interviews that she saw Lovelady and Shelley when she reached the 1st floor, impossible if she left immediately.

She only started saying that after Jim Leavelle visisted her at her home, in February 1964, and said all her previous statements had been lost (which was a lie).
The testimony of Shelley and Lovelady clearly shows that the two men did not re-enter the TSBD, through a door in the annex building, at least 5 minutes after the shots.
If Adams saw them on the first floor (which she didn't - she saw them near the railway tracks west of the building) where were Adams and Styles for at least four minutes after the shots? Did they drink a coffee, perhaps?

6. After hours of interrogation, Oswald slipped up and told Harry Holmes, "when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs.""

Wow, that's according to Harry Holmes, right?

In Conclusion, Oswald had PLENTY of time to sneak down the stairs.
Case Closed!

Superficial "conclusion" based on silly one liners that misrepresent the evidence and ignore the totality of the actual available evidence.

Belin wasn't interested in doing a time trial with Victoria Adams. Why would a prosecutor (which is what Belin was) reject additional evidence? Only for one reason; he understood that would blow his entire case out of the water.

There is not a shred of evidence to show that Oswald was on the 6th floor of the TSBD when the shots were fired or that he came down the stairs, unseen by at least 12 people on the 5th and 4th floor, within 75 seconds after the last shot.
I asked Richard Smith for months to provide the evidence that I was wrong and he couldn't. The best he could do was;

"The evidence that Oswald came down the stairs after the last shot is.... that it happened - "Richard Smith"   

Care to throw some more one liners at me and follow Richard into the land of delusion?

[John Mytton]

No she told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she left the window immediately to go to the stairs and when she did that she heard the elevators move.

Btw, "immediately" is that after 15 seconds or 30 seconds or whatever is in your little dictionary?   

Thanks for highlighting another massive inconsistency of Adam's revolving door of made up stories.

she told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she left the window immediately

VS.

Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.

Btw every time you open your mouth you dig a deeper and deeper hole, better luck next time!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

4. Upon reentry Adams said she immediately went to the passenger elevator to reach the 4th floor, she doesn't say she immediately went to the back of the building to catch the freight elevator.

No she told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she left the window immediately to go to the stairs and when she did that she heard the elevators move.

Huh? You do know what reentry means, right? And you do realize that if Adams was already on the 4th floor she wouldn't be trying to reach the 4th floor?

Btw you are obviously replying to posts that are clearly above your level of comprehension. Maybe slow down and take a break because all this conspiracy nonsense is rotting your brain.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Thanks for highlighting another massive inconsistency of Adam's revolving door of made up stories.

she told the FBI on 11/24/63 that she left the window immediately

VS.

Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.

Btw every time you open your mouth you dig a deeper and deeper hole, better luck next time!

JohnM

That's the best you've got?

Do you really not understand that an estimated 15 to 30 seconds is considered to be immediately by normal, reasonable people, in the real world? Do you really think Adams was using the dictionary you have used previously or that people get everything they say 100% right? Really?

And talk about putting your foot in it. Your argument has been that Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady 5 minutes after the last shot (which is a questionable and likely low estimate at best) at the bottom of the stairs.
Adams and Styles needed only less than one minute to go down the stairs from the 4th to the 1st floor, so where were they during the other 4 minutes or so? Drinking coffee with Dorothy Garner perhaps?