Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[John Mytton]

Fingerprints are indeed evidence but they are not automatically proof.
Prints found on boxes that Oswald had to handle as part of his job are of very limited evidentiary value.

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.

Latona confirmed that the prints on the Rolling Reader box belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. EISENBERG. They have satisfied themselves that the print is on the box. Now, therefore, to recapitulate: You found on this carton 641 the left palmprint and the right index fingerprint of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. LATONA. That is correct.



The prints on these Rolling Reader which were oriented down Elm street, were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely. And the fact that the orientation of the prints corresponded to being pointed down Elm street instead of some other random direction is also powerful evidence that Oswald rested there as he planned his assassination.

Mr. EISENBERG. That would be the outermost limit that you can testify concerning?
Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Mr. DULLES. Do I understand then that if there is a lifting of this kind, that it may obliterate----
Mr. LATONA. Completely.
Mr. DULLES. The original print?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

Mr. EISENBERG. That would be the outermost limit that you can testify concerning?
Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Mr. DULLES. Do I understand then that if there is a lifting of this kind, that it may obliterate----
Mr. LATONA. Completely.
Mr. DULLES. The original print?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

JohnM

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

That's just as silly a conclusion as saying; "we can conclude that somebody killed Kennedy". It's meaningless

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

It doesn't matter if it was not a job requirement for every employee to touch boxes (hundereds of just one). We know for a fact that the order fillers' job was to touch those boxes. Oswald was an order filler.

so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

"is possible but extremely unlikely" = no evidentairy value. Opinions are not evidence.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Since when is "could be" evidence of anything?


So, in conclusion, we have a possibility that anybody could have touched those boxes, we have a possibility (and an opinion that it's unlikely) that an employes who's job it was to touch boxes, actually touched boxes and a "could be", well after the fact (in an equaly possible) c.y.a. action - that's my opinion btw) that it is possible to lift a print completely.

So, yes, let's put it all in perspective; You've got nothing!

[John Mytton]

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

That's just as silly a conclusion as saying; "we can conclude that somebody killed Kennedy". It's meaningless

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

It doesn't matter if it was not a job requirement for every employee to touch boxes (hundereds of just one). We know for a fact that the order fillers' job was to touch those boxes. Oswald was an order filler.

so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

"is possible by extremely unlikely" = no evidentairy value. Opinions are not evidence.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Since when is "could be" evidence of anything?


So, in conclusion, we have a possibility that anybody could have touched those boxes, we have a possibility (and an opinion that it's unlikely) that an employes who's job it was to touch boxes, actually touched boxes and a "could be", well after the fact (in an equaly possible) c.y.a. action - that's my opinion btw) that it is possible to lift a print completely.

So, yes, let's put it all in perspective; You've got nothing!

Hilarious, Oswald was the unluckiest man on the planet.

He just happened to work in the building from which shots were fired from.
He just happened to own the rifle found on the 6th floor.
He just happened to own the prints found in the sniper's nest
He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle
He just happened to own the prints found on the long paper bag.
He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.
He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.
He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately
He just happened to get out of his cab way past his rooming house
He just happened to admit retrieving his revolver from the rooming house
He just happened to be positively identified by about ten eyewitnesses at the Tippit crime scene
He just happened to be arrested a mile of the Tippit crime scene, and Tippit was the first cop killed by gunfire in Dallas in years
He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.
He just happened to own the revolver which exclusively matched the shells found at the Tippit crime scene.
He just happened to pull the trigger on his revolver when fighting the Police.
He just happened to etc etc etc etc etc etc...........

Poor poor Oswald!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious, Oswald was the unluckiest man on the planet.

He just happened to work in the building from which shots were fired from.
He just happened to own the rifle found on the 6th floor.
He just happened to own the prints found in the sniper's nest
He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle
He just happened to own the prints found on the long paper bag.
He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.
He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.
He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately
He just happened to get out of his cab way past his rooming house
He just happened to admit retrieving his revolver from the rooming house
He just happened to be positively identified by about ten eyewitnesses at the Tippit crime scene
He just happened to be arrested a mile of the Tippit crime scene, and Tippit was the first cop killed by gunfire in Dallas in years
He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.
He just happened to own the revolver which exclusively matched the shells found at the Tippit crime scene.
He just happened to pull the trigger on his revolver when fighting the Police.
He just happened to etc etc etc etc etc etc...........

Poor poor Oswald!

JohnM

And here he goes again.... more superficial assumptions presented as "evidence", but in fact are not supported by the actual facts.

You just can't help yourself, can't you?

[John Mytton]

And here he goes again.... more superficial assumptions presented as "evidence", but in fact are not supported by the actual facts.

You just can't help yourself, can't you?

OMG FK'N WOW, All the facts in this case are supported by Evidence, whereas each of your endless list of baseless refutations is based on your paranoid fantasies.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

OMG FK'N WOW, All the facts in this case are supported by Evidence, whereas each of your endless list of baseless refutations is based on your paranoid fantasies.

JohnM

Change the record, John. This oldie is too worn out to play. It's kinda funny, but you always do this whenever your arguments have failed.

It is superficial for you all the way and, of course, it proves the point I previously made.

...... all you seem to be able to do is regurgitate the same superficial arguments that the spindoctors at the WC and your High Priest Bugliosi have given you to swallow without questioning any of it.

 

[Martin Weidmann]

OMG FK'N WOW, All the facts in this case are supported by Evidence, whereas each of your endless list of baseless refutations is based on your paranoid fantasies.

JohnM

All the facts in this case are supported by Evidence

Ok, let's put this to the test;

He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle

What exactly is the evidence for prints being found on the rifle? Be precise....

He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.

What is the evidence for this, or is it just an opinion?

He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.

What is the evidence that Oswald owned, or even had in his possesion, the rifle found at the TSBD on 11/22/63?
And what evidence is there that the shells (actually fragments of shells) were indeed found in the limo?

He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately

What is the evidence that Oswald fled the crime scene instead of just leaving the building?

He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.

What is the evidence that the gray jacket, now in evidence and confirmed to belong to Oswald, was the white jacket found in the car park?

If what you claim is true, it should be easy for you to provide the evidence for all these so-called "facts". Go on then... have at it.

[John Mytton]

All the facts in this case are supported by Evidence

Ok, let's put this to the test;

He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle

What exactly is the evidence for prints being found on the rifle? Be precise....

He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.

What is the evidence for this, or is it just an opinion?

He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.

What is the evidence that Oswald owned, or even had in his possesion, the rifle found at the TSBD on 11/22/63?
And what evidence is there that the shells (actually fragments of shells) were indeed found in the limo?

He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately

What is the evidence that Oswald fled the crime scene instead of just leaving the building?

He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.

What is the evidence that the gray jacket, now in evidence and confirmed to belong to Oswald, was the white jacket found in the car park?

If what you claim is true, it should be easy for you to provide the evidence for all these so-called "facts". Go on then... have at it.

He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle

What exactly is the evidence for prints being found on the rifle? Be precise....

Besides the Palmprint taken from the actual rifle as confirmed by the FBI, we have Day's testimony;



Mr. BELIN. Do you know what Commission Exhibit No. 637 is?
Mr. DAY. This is the trace of palmprint I lifted off of the barrel of the gun after I had removed the wood.
Mr. BELIN. Does it have your name on it or your handwriting?
Mr. DAY. It has the name "J. C. Day," and also "11/22/63" written on it in my writing off the underside gun barrel near the end of foregrip, C-2766.

He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.

What is the evidence for this, or is it just an opinion?

   Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30 caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or information. 12:45.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/index.htm

He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.

What is the evidence that Oswald owned....

And what evidence is there that the shells (actually fragments of shells) were indeed found in the limo?

Actually fragments of bullet's.

He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.

What is the evidence that the gray jacket, now in evidence and confirmed to belong to Oswald, was the white jacket found in the car park?

Btw, this is the evidence and I'm not going down any more paranoid rabbit holes!

JohnM