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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #344 on: March 03, 2024, 08:05:01 PM »
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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #344 on: March 03, 2024, 08:05:01 PM »


Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #345 on: March 04, 2024, 12:04:20 AM »
You sound like a petulant child who is slowly learning that there is no Santa Claus and is throwing a tantrum.  Very amusing.  Try this.  Here is what a mature adult would do if they actually believed they had evidence that suggests a conspiracy to kill JFK or creates doubt as to the historically accepted fact that Oswald did it.  Take your argument/evidence to the NY Times or the DPD or FBI and explain that you have proven a conspiracy to assassinate JFK or at least created doubt or whatever you are calling this endless pedantic nonsense.   Let us know what they say.  I bet it's not that you have "crushed" the official conclusion.  Or are they all still "in" on the plot?  LOL.

How is it a "lie" that the evidence places Oswald in the SN?  Perhaps you have a different interpretation of that evidence, but it is not a "lie" to characterize that evidence as placing him there.  Every official investigation has come to that conclusion based on the evidence.  None have accepted your silly theory.   It is immature to get that emotional when someone disagrees with your pedantic nonsense.  Even the most outlandish CTer must acknowledge that the evidence suggests Oswald was in the SN.  Why?  Because even in a conspiracy to frame Oswald, the evidence would have been planted to frame Oswald for the crime by placing him in the SN!  That would be the entire purpose of planting the evidence in a conspiracy.  To place Oswald in the SN.

As a result, the difference of opinion is not the sufficiency of the evidence to place Oswald in the SN as you stupidly suggest.   It is not a "lie" to conclude that the evidence places him in the SN.  It was either left by Oswald during the commission of the crime or by a fantasy conspirator to frame him for that crime.   Now assume the fetal position and try to think like an adult for once since I realize this is going beyond the short attention span of the younger generation.  If you were planning to frame someone for the assassination of the president and spent months or years doing so, what would be arguably the most important factor to control?  Here is a hint.  In a conspiracy scenario, no plan to frame Oswald would allow the patsy to freely move about the building and be in the 2nd floor lunchroom at the moment of the assassination.  They wouldn't leave that to chance.  The location of the "patsy" at the moment the crime was committed to ensure that he doesn't have an alibi is critical to that plan!   Good grief.   No one can seriously suggest that in a conspiracy scenario that involves framing Oswald that he would be allowed to sit in the 2nd floor lunchroom or move about the building of his own free will including doing the most likely thing in that circumstance like going outside to watch the motorcade with his coworkers.  It is so absurd as to be laughable.  Try to see the forest for once instead of just the trees.  The evidence places Oswald in the SN.   If it was planted to frame Oswald, the conspirators would have ensured that he was not roaming about the building.   His movements would be controlled either with or without his cooperation.  He is not sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom, and therefore, all your pedantic nonsense on this topic (most of which is a projection of your own subjective opinions onto imprecise testimony and witness recollection to reach a desired outcome) is superfluous.

You sound like a petulant child who is slowly learning that there is no Santa Claus and is throwing a tantrum.  Very amusing.

And you sound like a devious moron, constantly peddling an easily disprovable lie, who doesn't have the backbone to own up when he's caught out.
Not particularly amusing.

Here is what a mature adult would do if they actually believed they had evidence that suggests a conspiracy to kill JFK or creates doubt as to the historically accepted fact that Oswald did it.  Take your argument/evidence to the NY Times or the DPD or FBI

What a moronic thing to say.
Just to clarify, the posts I've made are in respect to the subject of this thread - the "lost interview" with Vicki Adams. In it she confirms the information she gave in her WC testimony - that she raced down the stairs immediately after the first shot, that she hit the first floor within 60 seconds of the last shot and that she saw Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor, near the elevators when she got there.
This is important information as it reveals that Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements after the assassination.
I am asking the questions - why would they race towards the back of the first floor immediately after the shooting and why would they lie about their movements?

At no point have I mentioned Oswald, or whether or not he took the shots. That is not the subject of this thread.
Yet here you come, wading in like some rabid fanatic frothing at the mouth crying about Oswald's guilt.
You're an embarrassment.

How is it a "lie" that the evidence places Oswald in the SN?

And here we go again with you're deviousness.
A really unsavoury trait of some Nutters.
The lie you're constantly peddling is that the evidence places Oswald in the SN at the time of the shooting.
In fact, why don't we have your actual words:

"The evidence places Oswald on the 6th floor (his rifle, prints and absence of any alibi) at the moment the shots were fired (i.e. 12:30)    "richard smith"

PS: If you actually do come across some evidence placing Oswald in the SN at the time of the shooting I advise you to contact the NY Times  ;)
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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #346 on: March 04, 2024, 12:25:38 AM »
Why does this even matter? Baker entering the TSBD is on film and is a known time event. Adams and Styles "immediately" turned out to be a number of minutes.

"Why does this even matter?"??!! ???

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke?
Firstly, Baker entering the TSBD building is not on film. This shows such a poor grasp of the most basic evidence it's hard to know what to say. But it does explain some of the lame, unsupported horsesh%t you've been offering up in your recent posts.
Baker is filmed approaching the TSBD steps within seconds of the assassination. Pauline Saunders mentions a white-helmeted police officer reaching the steps within seconds of the shooting. When the time trials involving Baker and Truly are run, both men are inside the TSBD within a matter of seconds after the shooting.
Yet Shelley and Lovelady lie to the Commission, they have Baker and Truly still outside at least 3 minutes after the shooting. The Commission knows that this is absolutely incorrect yet they don't bother to question this lie. And it's not some kind of  'misremembrance'. We know this because both Shelley and Lovelady tell exactly the same lie.
Not only that, Shelley goes on to repeat this lie to George and Patricia Nash, increasing the time Baker and Truly enter the TSBD building from 3 minutes to "five or six minutes".
That you don't see anything weird or questionable about this reveals a poor grasp of reality, let alone the evidence.
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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #346 on: March 04, 2024, 12:25:38 AM »


Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #347 on: March 04, 2024, 12:35:34 AM »
"Why does this even matter?"??!! ???

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke?
Firstly, Baker entering the TSBD building is not on film. This shows such a poor grasp of the most basic evidence it's hard to know what to say. But it does explain some of the lame, unsupported horsesh%t you've been offering up in your recent posts.
Baker is filmed approaching the TSBD steps within seconds of the assassination. Pauline Saunders mentions a white-helmeted police officer reaching the steps within seconds of the shooting. When the time trials involving Baker and Truly are run, both men are inside the TSBD approximately within a matter of seconds after the shooting.
Yet Shelley and Lovelady lie to the Commission, they have Baker and Truly still outside at least 3 minutes after the shooting. The Commission knows that this is absolutely incorrect yet they don't bother to question this lie. And it's not some kind of  'misremembrance'. We know this because both Shelley and Lovelady tell exactly the same lie.
Not only that, Shelley goes on to repeat this lie to George and Patricia Nash, increasing the time Baker and Truly enter the TSBD building from 3 minutes to "five or six minutes".
That you don't see anything weird or questionable about this reveals a poor grasp of reality, let alone the evidence.

Baker is filmed approaching the TSBD steps within seconds of the assassination.


So then yes it does not matter. Baker is shown approaching the building and running up the steps but you question whether he entered the building? OK, yeah that makes sense, and within seconds too?

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #348 on: March 04, 2024, 12:38:37 AM »
Asking you for clarification of a bogus claim is not the same as a discussion.

So, no answer.? ... How unsurprisingly predictable!

I am supposed to clarify your bogus claim. It would make more sense if you clarified your own bogus claim.

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #348 on: March 04, 2024, 12:38:37 AM »


Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #349 on: March 04, 2024, 12:46:42 AM »

Baker is filmed approaching the TSBD steps within seconds of the assassination.


So then yes it does not matter. Baker is shown approaching the building and running up the steps but you question whether he entered the building? OK, yeah that makes sense, and within seconds too?

"...it does not matter."!!?? ???
It doesn't matter that both Shelley and Lovelady lied about how long it took Truly and Baker to enter the TSBD building??
It doesn't matter that the Commission didn't bother to question this obvious lie??

You're really starting to make a fool of yourself Jack.
Just think things through before you say anything else.
You're better than this.

And just to clarify your unbelievably poor grasp of even the most basic evidence - Baker is not filmed "running up the steps".
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #350 on: March 04, 2024, 01:02:14 AM »
I am supposed to clarify your bogus claim. It would make more sense if you clarified your own bogus claim.

No, you are supposed to clarify your bogus claim. But it's obvious that you can't, because if you could you would have done it by now.

We know for a fact that Styles was photographed standing next to Sawyer's car, just before re-entering the TSBD through the front door before the building was sealed off, at around 12:36.

You claimed that "Adams and Styles "immediately" turned out to be a number of minutes". When you make such a statement you should at least be able to explain how Styles and Adams could have been at the front of the TSBD within 6 minutes after the shooting. You can either explain that or you are full of s**t. Now, which is it?

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #351 on: March 04, 2024, 03:17:16 AM »
You sound like a petulant child who is slowly learning that there is no Santa Claus and is throwing a tantrum.  Very amusing.

And you sound like a devious moron, constantly peddling an easily disprovable lie, who doesn't have the backbone to own up when he's caught out.
Not particularly amusing.

Here is what a mature adult would do if they actually believed they had evidence that suggests a conspiracy to kill JFK or creates doubt as to the historically accepted fact that Oswald did it.  Take your argument/evidence to the NY Times or the DPD or FBI

What a moronic thing to say.
Just to clarify, the posts I've made are in respect to the subject of this thread - the "lost interview" with Vicki Adams. In it she confirms the information she gave in her WC testimony - that she raced down the stairs immediately after the first shot, that she hit the first floor within 60 seconds of the last shot and that she saw Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor, near the elevators when she got there.
This is important information as it reveals that Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements after the assassination.
I am asking the questions - why would they race towards the back of the first floor immediately after the shooting and why would they lie about their movements?

At no point have I mentioned Oswald, or whether or not he took the shots. That is not the subject of this thread.
Yet here you come, wading in like some rabid fanatic frothing at the mouth crying about Oswald's guilt.
You're an embarrassment.

How is it a "lie" that the evidence places Oswald in the SN?

And here we go again with you're deviousness.
A really unsavoury trait of some Nutters.
The lie you're constantly peddling is that the evidence places Oswald in the SN at the time of the shooting.
In fact, why don't we have your actual words:

"The evidence places Oswald on the 6th floor (his rifle, prints and absence of any alibi) at the moment the shots were fired (i.e. 12:30)    "richard smith"

PS: If you actually do come across some evidence placing Oswald in the SN at the time of the shooting I advise you to contact the NY Times  ;)

Are you ten years old?  Let's cut to the chase.  If you believe that your evidence casts doubt on the suspect in a homicide investigation, provide that evidence to the law enforcement authorities responsible for the investigation.  Don't waste more of our time here.  Any reasonable person would do so if they geniunely believed that they had such evidence.   Let us know the results.

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #351 on: March 04, 2024, 03:17:16 AM »