The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What

[Jack Nessan]

Here is Brehm, shortly after the shooting, saying he heard two shots, that JFK was hit with the second. I would think if he heard a third he would have mentioned it? The evidence for me strongly indicates there were three but the argument for two is almost as valid. Why most of the witnesses further down Elm Street said they only heard two is puzzling (Hudson said three shots but he's a shaky witness). Anyway, here is Brehm.

If you filter out the earwitnesses there are very few three shot witnesses.

Brehm is just the tip of the iceberg. Jackie, SA Greer, Sheriff Decker, Altgens, Zapruder, SA Hill plus 40 or more eyewitnesses are all two shot witness. A large number of witnesses state the second shot was the headshot in various ways. SA Kinney, Jarmin, SA Kellerman and Marilyn Willis for example.

The shell information combined with Josiah Thompson’s observation about all of the 30+ shells he examined that had been fired in the carcano in his book Six Seconds In Dallas, indicate there were only two shots fired. Josiah’s observation along with Hoover’s June 2nd memo to Rankin about the FBI analysis about only two shells CE 544 and CE 545 exhibiting the “chamber mark” leave little doubt as to the number of shots. Even though the FBI does not reference it, CE 141 actually has the ”chamber mark” which can only be explained by the expansion due to the heat of the chamber from having been fired. There is an obvious anomaly in the chamber of the rifle most likely from a reamer during manufacturing. I think Anthony Marsh had it correct that you could probably find the same issue in a number of the rifles produced at the same time.

A two shot assassination leaves little doubt as to Lone Gunman and explains everything. The WC, HSCA, and FBI all knew this was the answer. SBT is the only answer there is.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Here is Brehm, shortly after the shooting, saying he heard two shots, that JFK was hit with the second. I would think if he heard a third he would have mentioned it? The evidence for me strongly indicates there were three but the argument for two is almost as valid. Why most of the witnesses further down Elm Street said they only heard two is puzzling (Hudson said three shots but he's a shaky witness). Anyway, here is Brehm.

So was Brehm just lying when he told the FBI two days later, on 11/24, that he heard a shot after the second-shot headshot? The FBI agents would have had no reason to fabricate that part of his statement.

It is a mighty thin reed to rely on his 11/22 TV interview, when he was clearly in shock, and to infer that he meant that he heard only two shots and no more. He never said "only two shots." A reporter said "two shots," and Brehm answered "two shots." He was almost certainly thinking of the shots that hit JFK and was focused on those two shots. After he had calmed down and was interviewed two days later, he said he heard a third shot but that it came after the headshot, and he never wavered from that. 

At least two sets of two shots came very closely together and each of these sets would have sounded like one shot to many people, so it is not a bit surprising that some people thought they only heard two shots. Plus, many people commented that one of the shots sounded very different than the others, and many people probably did not notice this shot, which is another reason that it's not surprising that some people thought they only heard two shots.

If you filter out the earwitnesses there are very few three shot witnesses.

Brehm is just the tip of the iceberg. Jackie, SA Greer, Sheriff Decker, Altgens, Zapruder, SA Hill plus 40 or more eyewitnesses are all two shot witness. A large number of witnesses state the second shot was the headshot in various ways. SA Kinney, Jarmin, SA Kellerman and Marilyn Willis for example.

The shell information combined with Josiah Thompson’s observation about all of the 30+ shells he examined that had been fired in the carcano in his book Six Seconds In Dallas, indicate there were only two shots fired. Josiah’s observation along with Hoover’s June 2nd memo to Rankin about the FBI analysis about only two shells CE 544 and CE 545 exhibiting the “chamber mark” leave little doubt as to the number of shots. Even though the FBI does not reference it, CE 141 actually has the ”chamber mark” which can only be explained by the expansion due to the heat of the chamber from having been fired. There is an obvious anomaly in the chamber of the rifle most likely from a reamer during manufacturing. I think Anthony Marsh had it correct that you could probably find the same issue in a number of the rifles produced at the same time.

A two shot assassination leaves little doubt as to Lone Gunman and explains everything. The WC, HSCA, and FBI all knew this was the answer. SBT is the only answer there is.

You really should stop posting until you have done your homework, until you have read some of the scholarly books on the evidence of multiple gunmen.

A two-shot assassination is ludicrous. Even with three shots, the lone-gunman theory can't get a bullet to the Tague curb. The attempts to get a bullet or fragment from the sixth-floor window to the Tague curb are downright farcical, not to mention contradictory.

In addition to the Tague curb strike, we have

-- the Aldredge curb strike
-- the Foster manhole/grass strike
-- the deformed bullet found in the limo in DC, seen and handled by Dr. James Young (and verified by Chief Mills)
-- the pavement strike behind the limo early in the shooting (seen and reported independently by five witnesses)
-- the large fragment seen by autopsy x-ray tech Jerrol Custer (this may well have been the same slug that Admiral Osborne told the HSCA that he saw at the autopsy, the same slug documented in the FBI-to-Stover receipt for a "missile" found during the autopsy--no, I don't buy the tale that the agents called two or three small fragments a "missile"; they knew the difference between a few small fragments and a missile, and Custer and Osborne were not hallucinating).

A three-shot scenario can't explain these extra bullets and misses, much less a two-shot scenario.

[Andrew Mason]

Even with three shots, the lone-gunman theory can't get a bullet to the Tague curb. The attempts to get a bullet or fragment from the sixth-floor window to the Tague curb are downright farcical, not to mention contradictory.

Tague said that he was not struck on the first or third shots and that there were exactly 3 distinct shot sounds.  Greer also mentioned a "concussion" effect from the second shot.  His right ear was not far from the damaged windshield frame and mirror.  So, there is mutually consistent evidence that the damage to the frame and the fragment striking Tague occurred on the second shot.  That simply means that the bullet through JBC and wrist fragmented and some struck the windshield and top frame and, at least one other fragment, went a bit higher. If you are wondering what caused the fragments to deflect you only have to look at the wrist wound:

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

You again prove that you don't know what you're talking about. Brehm didn't speculate that JFK and Connally were hit by the same non-fatal bullet until over 20 years after the shooting (in the 1980s). He said nothing about this in his 11/22/63 Dallas Times Herald interview or in his 11/24/63 FBI interview. Not one word.

Brehm never said there were only two shots.

So here you guys are carrying on and on about the SBT and ignoring the fact that the Knott Laboratory 3D laser analysis has proved that the SBT is impossible.

This is so typical of what you guys do here. You simply ignore facts that refute your version of the shooting, and you post reply after reply as if those facts don't exist.

Anyway, back to Brehm: It is quite curious to see anti-conspiracy proponents citing Charles Brehm, because even his later, altered story refutes any non-conspiracy version of the shooting.

For starters, before Brehm knew what he was supposed to say about the origin of the shots, he told a Dallas Times Herald reporter shortly after the shooting that the shots came from in front or from the side of JFK ("the shots came from in front of or beside the President").

Then, two days later, two FBI agents got ahold of Brehm and claimed that he told them, in their unrecorded interview, that the shots came from one of the two buildings at Elm and Houston, that the first shot wounded JFK, that the second shot was the headshot, and that there was a shot after the headshot.

When Brehm gave a recorded interview in 1988, he declared that all the shots positively came from the TSBD and from nowhere else, and he speculated that JFK and Connally were hit by the same non-fatal bullet, but he still insisted that the second shot was the headshot and that there was a shot after the headshot. He added an important detail about the third shot that he heard: he said the shot flew over him and was close enough that he heard it fly over him, that it had a different sound than the two other shots, and that it "didn't hit anybody":

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The third shot really frightened me! It had a completely different sound to it because it had really passed me, as anybody knows who has been down under targets in the Army or been shot at like I had been many times. You know when a bullet passes over you, the cracking sound it makes, and that bullet had an absolute crack to it. I do believe that that shot was wild. It didn’t hit anybody.
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It is very important that the third shot that Brehm heard passed so closely above him that he heard it go over him. As Brehm said, anyone who has had bullets pass near them knows that sound. I had the same experience during Army live-fire exercises when they would have us low-crawl on the ground and fire bullets a few feet above our heads so we would know what it sounded like to have bullets pass near us. You only hear that sound when a bullet passes near you, whether it's beside you or above you.

The fact that Brehm heard a bullet fly closely above him poses at least two fatal problems for any non-conspiracy version of the shooting.

One, the missed shot that Brehm heard fly nearby over his head could not even remotely have had any chance of hitting the curb near James Tague. Brehm was standing about 10-12 feet to the right of Jean Hill and Mary Moorman and nearly directly in front of the Babushka Lady. If you draw a line from the sixth-floor window through/near Brehm and to the south side of Main Street, you end up at a point on Main Street that is at least 40 feet from the Tague curb strike.

Two, it boggles the mind to imagine how the same sixth-floor gunman who had just hit JFK's head could have so wildly missed not only JFK but the entire huge limousine with his next shot. This miss would have been at least 12 feet to the left of the limousine and several feet above it. To miss the large limo so badly, the limo, not to mention JFK's upper body, would not even have been in the gunman's field of view through the scope (or through the iron sights). 

Obviously, it is far more likely, and far more logical, that this miss came from a point behind Brehm, which would explain why his first statement about the shots was that they came from the front or side of JFK, which would have placed the gunman at a point behind Brehm.

A bit off topic. But the above raises a few issues that i have never bothered to address until now.
Brehm mentions a cracking sound.
Also, others (Powers & Landis etc) mention the sound of a bullet hitting JFK in the head (like a melon exploding).
Hickey fired an autoburst of say 4 shots, from say Z304.3 to say Z312.5.
At Z304.3 the muzzle of Hickey's AR15 would have been opposite Brehm. Hickey standing in Queen Mary would have been in approx the same pozzy at the jfklimo was when the limo was at Z279.
Brehm would have heard the direct sounds of the muzzle blasts of the autoburst. Plus he would have heard the echoes from around the plaza.
I doubt that Brehm would have heard the supersonic cracks (4 ovem).
I doubt that anyone would have heard the sound of a melon exploding (ie at Z313), this would have been hidden by the muzzle blast plus the echoes of the earlier 3 shots.
Here are 5 Zapruder frames.

[John Mytton]

You really should stop posting until you have done your homework, until you have read some of the scholarly books on the evidence of multiple gunmen.

A two-shot assassination is ludicrous. Even with three shots, the lone-gunman theory can't get a bullet to the Tague curb. The attempts to get a bullet or fragment from the sixth-floor window to the Tague curb are downright farcical, not to mention contradictory.

In addition to the Tague curb strike, we have

-- the Aldredge curb strike
-- the Foster manhole/grass strike
-- the deformed bullet found in the limo in DC, seen and handled by Dr. James Young (and verified by Chief Mills)
-- the pavement strike behind the limo early in the shooting (seen and reported independently by five witnesses)
-- the large fragment seen by autopsy x-ray tech Jerrol Custer (this may well have been the same slug that Admiral Osborne told the HSCA that he saw at the autopsy, the same slug documented in the FBI-to-Stover receipt for a "missile" found during the autopsy--no, I don't buy the tale that the agents called two or three small fragments a "missile"; they knew the difference between a few small fragments and a missile, and Custer and Osborne were not hallucinating).

A three-shot scenario can't explain these extra bullets and misses, much less a two-shot scenario.

You really should stop posting until you have done your homework, until you have read some of the scholarly books on the evidence of multiple gunmen.

OMG, so much anger, everyone has the right to post! Even you, The King of the Kooks, who never met a conspiracy he didn't actively endorse, but unfortunately for your credibility, you have not even once demonstrated the slightest aptitude for deductive reasoning. Oh well.

Even with three shots, the lone-gunman theory can't...blah blah blah...

Anyway enough of the graphic that shows how the Scholars of the World sees the hardcore conspiracy Kooks. LOL!

Let's examine the actual Rock Solid Evidence.

1. Three expended Carcano shells which exclusively came from Oswald's rifle were discovered in Oswald's Sniper's nest.



2. The two bullet fragments exclusively matching Oswald's rifle were found in the Limo and the other bullet discovered on a stretcher at Parkland was also found to exclusively match Oswald's rifle.



3. The vast majority of earwitnesses only heard 3 shots and 95% of these earwitnesses heard 3 or less gun shots. Also don't forget that a Professional sniper would only need 1 shot to kill Kennedy in a relatively slow moving vehicle, and the only reason the "sharpshooter" Oswald took 3 shots proves that he was a bit rusty and acting alone.



4. Now this is where this proof get's interesting, even though there was a discrepancy for the origin of the shots, mainly due to the sound being contained within the echo chamber of Dealey Plaza, 94% of the earwitnesses heard ALL the shots from only 1 direction therefore there was no crossfire, meaning any claim of multiple assassins firing from multiple directions is a product of silly little Conspiracy Authors who are trying to sell an extra book or two! And since we know that both Kennedy and Connally were both hit from high and behind, therefore we can logically deduce that ALL the shots came from high and behind.
Btw CT's who believe that there was a frontal shooter on the knoll, when the designated "Patsy" was situated behind and above are lacking the afore mentioned "Deductive Reasoning Skills" and are truly deluded!



JohnM

[John Mytton]

The refusal of WC apologists to face cold, hard facts that destroy their version of the shooting goes back to when clear, close-up photos of JFK's tie were finally released and showed no hole through the knot and no nick on either edge of the knot. Poof goes the single-bullet theory.

Naturally, JFK's tie knot was centered just about perfectly between his collar. According to the lone-gunman theory, the throat wound was beneath the tie knot (although we've known for years that the wound was actually above the knot). If so, any bullet exiting a wound that was beneath the tie knot would have had to tear through the tie knot or at least nick one of the edges of the knot before allegedly streaking toward Connally.

No wonder the Justice Department fought so doggedly for so long to suppress the photos of JFK's tie.

(although we've known for years that the wound was actually above the knot)

Oh Really?? Hahahaha!

Allowing for slightly differing camera angles, focal length and camera lenses and the fact that Kennedy's autopsy photos show Kennedy with a violently fractured skull and no muscle control, the location of the throat wound is definitely not above the tie knot and in fact perfectly corresponds to the precise location of Kenney's tie knot.





Anyway Griffith, do keep trying because 1 day you may actually get something right, but in the mean time, I absolutely love constantly destroying the Forum Bully!

JohnM

[Michael T. Griffith]

Tague said that he was not struck on the first or third shots and that there were exactly 3 distinct shot sounds.  Greer also mentioned a "concussion" effect from the second shot.  His right ear was not far from the damaged windshield frame and mirror.  So, there is mutually consistent evidence that the damage to the frame and the fragment striking Tague occurred on the second shot.  That simply means that the bullet through JBC and wrist fragmented and some struck the windshield and top frame and, at least one other fragment, went a bit higher. If you are wondering what caused the fragments to deflect you only have to look at the wrist wound:

That's just crazy and clownish, not to mention that it destroys the single-bullet theory. No fragment leaving Connally's wrist would have sent a fragment into his thigh and also sent a fragment over the top of the windshield with even remotely enough velocity to travel over 200 feet and strike the Tague curb, much less Tague himself.

And, FYI, Tague also said one of the shots came from the grassy knoll.

[John Mytton]

And, FYI, Tague also said one of the shots came from the grassy knoll.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think that it is consistent with what you heard and saw that day, that the shots could have come from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. TAGUE. Yes.

JohnM