The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What

[Andrew Mason]

Nice work. Why don't you quote the rest of her statement. It too has been posted for you endlessly. Even though her statement to the Dallas Morning News is a little hazy, you have identified the only eyewitness in Dealey Plaza who places the second shot as the throat shot confirming SBT. Then followed by the headshot. She also states the second shot does not take place until after JFK turns forward which is after Z207. Maybe she is not such a shiny witness for your theory.

Mary Woodward said the first shot occurred after she waved to the President as he approached them and after he acknowledged them by turning toward them and waving. There is only one sequence where that happens and it is the turn from about z170 to 193.

She said she did not think that JFK was hit by the first shot, although many others said he reacted. But she also said that the last two shots were close together.  She described the last two shots as overlapping - the sound of the first of those last two had not died out when the last one sounded. She said the last shot hit him in the head.

Unfortunately she was never questioned. However, it is apparent that she described the second shot as occurring less than 5 seconds before the head shot.  JFK is already reacting 5 seconds before the head shot. That necessarily means JFK was hit by the first shot

[Jack Nessan]

Mary Woodward said the first shot occurred after she waved to the President as he approached them and after he acknowledged them by turning toward them and waving. There is only one sequence where that happens and it is the turn from about z170 to 193.

She said she did not think that JFK was hit by the first shot, although many others said he reacted. But she also said that the last two shots were close together.  She described the last two shots as overlapping - the sound of the first of those last two had not died out when the last one sounded. She said the last shot hit him in the head.

Unfortunately she was never questioned. However, it is apparent that she described the second shot as occurring less than 5 seconds before the head shot.  JFK is already reacting 5 seconds before the head shot. That necessarily means JFK was hit by the first shot

It is obvious why you want to distance yourself from what Mary Woodward stated, because she completely craps on your whole storyline. You could not have picked a worse witness to quote. The only eyewitness to state the first shot missed and she does place the first shot as having occurred after z207.

Dallas Morning News 11/23-.-Mary Woodward

Index Frame (history-matters.com)

“After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to our right.”.... “I don’t believe anyone was hit by the first bullet”....

Once again JFK does not face forward again until after Z207

[Jack Nessan]

I don’t need you to post them. I just need the cites for JBC’s statements saying he was hit in the back on the first shot-the ones you chastised me for not mentioning.

No, with you it serves no purpose to quote them, cite them or do anything with them, they have been shown numerous times. You need to post them to demonstrate you understand they stated more than what you are portraying. This is just another example of how ridiculous this theory really is.

Once again. Jackie and Nellie both confirm JBC's statement. That is the part that is causing all your anguish.

[Andrew Mason]

It is obvious why you want to distance yourself from what Mary Woodward stated, because she completely craps on your whole storyline. You could not have picked a worse witness to quote. The only eyewitness to state the first shot missed and she does place the first shot as having occurred after z207.

Dallas Morning News 11/23-.-Mary Woodward

Index Frame (history-matters.com)

“After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to our right.”.... “I don’t believe anyone was hit by the first bullet”....

Once again JFK does not face forward again until after Z207

If she was confident about the first bullet not hitting anyone, she would not have prefaced her statement by "Things are a little hazy from this point" as in: "Things are a little hazy from this point, but I don't believe anyone was hit with the first bullet." ("Witness from the News Describes Assassination", Dallas Morning News, Nov. 23, 1963).

We don't know what she was looking at after the first shot. All we know is her belief based on that things that were a little hazy after the first shot....  This is why we look at recollections that were shared by others.  Others - 20 and counting said that JFK reacted to the first shot in ways that we see him doing only after z195 - by moving left..etc.

[Andrew Mason]

No, with you it serves no purpose to quote them, cite them or do anything with them, they have been shown numerous times. You need to post them to demonstrate you understand they stated more than what you are portraying. This is just another example of how ridiculous this theory really is.

Once again. Jackie and Nellie both confirm JBC's statement. That is the part that is causing all your anguish.

You seem to think that we are all aware of statements by JBC and Nellie saying that JBC was hit in the back by the first shot.  That is not the case. If you want others to take you seriously, when you assert something you need to provide a source.  If you can't, and it appears you can't in this case, why would anyone take your assertion seriously?  You can use all the pejorative comments you want. It doesn't make a made-up fact a fact.

[Jack Nessan]

If she was confident about the first bullet not hitting anyone, she would not have prefaced her statement by "Things are a little hazy from this point" as in: "Things are a little hazy from this point, but I don't believe anyone was hit with the first bullet." ("Witness from the News Describes Assassination", Dallas Morning News, Nov. 23, 1963).

We don't know what she was looking at after the first shot. All we know is her belief based on that things that were a little hazy after the first shot....  This is why we look at recollections that were shared by others.  Others - 20 and counting said that JFK reacted to the first shot in ways that we see him doing only after z195 - by moving left..etc.

Unbelievable, you have interpreted her words to your liking and then ignored her stated location for the first shot in favor of this bizarre made-up storyline. What is the point of you quoting her at all? It would be easier if you would just fabricate a statement for her of what you think she was supposed to remember. Given your tortured interpretations of what these witnesses stated, maybe interpreting witness testimony is not your forte. Her location for the first shot was Z207+ not pre Z195.

[Jack Nessan]

You seem to think that we are all aware of statements by JBC and Nellie saying that JBC was hit in the back by the first shot.  That is not the case. If you want others to take you seriously, when you assert something you need to provide a source.  If you can't, and it appears you can't in this case, why would anyone take your assertion seriously?  You can use all the pejorative comments you want. It doesn't make a made-up fact a fact.

Really, all this terrible outcome just because I do not want to babysit you anymore. I think everybody has seen the quotes countless times and it is pointless to post it again. I know you cannot and will not post what Nellie, Jackie, and JBC confirmed in their statements. For someone who claims to be incredibly knowledgeable about witness testimonies, you sure are playing the dumb card on this, but for good reason.

If you do not want to address what these witnesses really stated and confirmed in each other’s statements and instead press forward once again with this fantasy nonsense go for it. The statements of Nellie, Jackie and JBC cross confirming each other have been posted a myriad of times. The fact you choose to ignore them says it all.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I doubt forgot. Altgens news flash of two shots was read on air within minutes of the assassination.

Question (not a gotcha one either). How do you handle/see Jack Bell's description of the number of shots? He was the AP reporter riding alongside Merriman Smith and fought with him over the use of radio telephone.

Bell: "I grabbed the radiophone [from Smith], got the operator, gave the Dallas bureau number, heard someone answer. I shouted that three shots had been fired at the President’s motorcade. The phone went dead and I couldn’t tell whether anyone had heard me. Frantically, I tried to get the operator back. The phone was still out."

When he arrived at Parkland he again phoned in his report of hearing three shots.

More here: https://archives.cjr.org/fiftieth_anniversary/the_assassination_the_reporter.php