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Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2024, 08:47:28 PM »
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Regarding the jerkiness, just watch the film in slow motion (0.25 speed) and start at, say, Z185, and notice how his waving motion starts to freeze at around Z200.

Regarding the unusually high position of his right elbow in Z204-205, you can't see this? Just look at the still frames. It's pretty obvious that something odd is going on with his right elbow. That's not a natural position and is unlike his elbow's position up to that point.

The WC's experts saw these things. So did the HSCA PEP experts. So did Olson and Turner in the Journal of Forensic Sciences. So have a number of other private experts.

One of the most obvious Rosetta Stones that destroys the SBT is Jackie's self-evident reaction that starts in the Z190s and is impossible to miss by Z206, at the very latest. Starting in the Z190s, she suddenly snaps her head to the right and by Z202-204, no later than Z206, she has turned her head from left to right and is looking intently at JFK, and she is still looking straight at him in Z222. To all but the brainwashed and the blind, this is self-evident proof that she realized something was wrong with JFK before Z207 and before Z224.

Thanks, I got the frames from the photo gallery link.
I don't see anything that proves an earlier shot. Kennedy's hand is high as he is waving to passers by. He holds that last high wave (nothing unusual about that) and appears to turn to Jackie. They could have been simply sharing a laugh about what they had seen or heard, to the right of the limo - "We love you Jackie!" - "Ha ha! D'ya hear that Jackie?".
The first visual sign of an impact is just as they emerge from the sign.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2024, 08:47:28 PM »


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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2024, 09:14:09 PM »
Thanks, I got the frames from the photo gallery link.
I don't see anything that proves an earlier shot. Kennedy's hand is high as he is waving to passers by. He holds that last high wave (nothing unusual about that) and appears to turn to Jackie. They could have been simply sharing a laugh about what they had seen or heard, to the right of the limo - "We love you Jackie!" - "Ha ha! D'ya hear that Jackie?".
The first visual sign of an impact is just as they emerge from the sign.

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Griffith is stuck in the last the Century and hasn't grasped the advancements of stabilization, and anyway, I wouldn't trust anything that Griffith claims he sees in the Zapruder Film because he is on record claiming that huge sections of the entire Film have been Faked, like his absurd analysis that Brehm's son shows movement that is impossible, and that's only the start of his long list of amateur observations!!

The Zapruder Film in this stabilized GIF from frame Z182 through to Z247 clearly shows nothing unusual about Kennedy waving as he disappears behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, but when he emerges both elbows suddenly and quite dramatically raise and at the same time Connally is violently reacting, to deny this simultaneous reaction to both Men being struck by CE399, is insane. And addressing Griffith's so called "Rosetta Stone" LOL, before they reach the sign, the entire occupants of the Limo are aware of the first gunshot, hence Jackie checking out the welfare of her husband but when JFK is actually hit, this is the point in time that Jackie reaches out to JFK and places her reassuring hand on his obviously just raised elbow.



An even slower stabilized GIF of what is seen above.



Just before Kennedy goes behind the sign, his right Elbow can be seen casually resting on the side of the Limo and to claim that "It's pretty obvious that something odd is going on with his right elbow." is just another crazy ass amateur observation.



I picked out the two clearest Zapruder frames before the sign and the first Zapruder frame which partially obscures Kennedy's right elbow and I still can't see "something odd" with the movement of Kennedy's right elbow or arm!



Btw here's a stabilized real time view of Brehm's son and the "impossible' movement! Hahahahahahaha!



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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2024, 01:50:25 AM »

  "....... and at the same time Connally is violently reacting....." = Total  BS: Stop proffering your jaded opinion as if it were fact. It ain't.  You guys have been on Tilt ever since Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE proved that the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". Getta grip!

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2024, 02:41:17 AM »
  "....... and at the same time Connally is violently reacting....." = Total  BS: Stop proffering your jaded opinion as if it were fact. It ain't.  You guys have been on Tilt ever since Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE proved that the, "SBT IS IMPOSSIBLE". Getta grip!

Not only does Connally show a violent reaction, the right side of Connally's jacket forcefully thrusts forward, you know the same jacket side which has a hole in it! Oops!







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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2024, 09:27:01 AM »

Rosemary Willis appears to be reacting to the first shot circa z142, evidenced by her rapid head turn to the right toward the Book Depository.


...or her mother shouting "Rosemary!! Get back here!!"

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2024, 03:15:01 PM »


I think that maybe the light flesh tone on Rosemary's face was faded or by glare or had blurred to white for a frame or two in the Z140s, making it only seem she turned her head. If not, she managed to turn her head fully to her right and back again over two frames. (Cue Zapruder alterationist claim)
 
         Not sure why a Running Kid that is wearing a hoody up over their ears would be proffered as an EARwitness. Probably says something about the weakness of the case.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2024, 04:24:26 PM »

Paul McBrearty: Rosemary Willis appears to be reacting to the first shot circa z142, evidenced by her rapid head turn to the right toward the Book Depository.

...or her mother shouting "Rosemary!! Get back here!!"

When Rosemary Willis became an adult and was asked about her reaction in the Zapruder film, she said she stopped and turned because she heard a loud bang.

She begins to noticeably slow down between Z162 and Z174, and she is standing still by no later than Z187. "Circa Z142" seems a little bit early to me, though certainly not implausible. I think this shot was probably fired between Z145 and Z155.

Not only does Connally show a violent reaction, the right side of Connally's jacket forcefully thrusts forward, you know the same jacket side which has a hole in it! Oops! JohnM

This is timeworn, debunked nonsense. And this regurgitated nonsense doesn't even address JFK's and Jackie's pre-Z207 reactions, Jackie's Z222-224 reaction, JFK's being jolted forward in Z226, and the slamming down of Connally's right shoulder in Z238.

Connally's jacket is not "forcefully thrust forward" but bunches outward as a natural result of his turning his head and upper body. As Connally himself explained, in Z224 he is turning his head and upper body back to the left after having turned to the right to see try to see JFK, so of course the right side of his coat is going to bunch outward a bit as a result of his having turned sharply to his right. And note that the right side of his jacket is flat and normal again in Z228 because his shoulders are virtually parallel with the limo's roll bar.

And never mind that Connally himself--you know, the guy who actually experienced the wounding--said he was certain he was not hit before Z228, right? He said this after carefully studying high-quality color prints of the Zapruder frames with a high-powered magnification loupe. But, nah, never mind that, right? He was "mistaken," because you and other WC apologists know his reactions better than he did!

You people are just amazing in your refusal to acknowledge visible, observable reality because that reality destroys your theory of the shooting.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2024, 06:02:35 PM »
When Rosemary Willis became an adult and was asked about her reaction in the Zapruder film, she said she stopped and turned because she heard a loud bang.

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Re: JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
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