Questions that will probably never be answered

[Sean Kneringer]

1. What happened to the first bullet?
2. What happened to Jackie's pink hat?
3. Where did Oswald get his ammo?
4. Why did Tippit stop Oswald?
5. Who was the Babushka Lady?

any more?

[Robert Reeves]

DCM was also caught on film with the Three Tramps (in what was, at the time, a roped off area where the general public could not enter). Was he familiar with some or all of the characters in this photographed scenario? Obviously YES.

[Charles Collins]

1. What happened to the first bullet?
2. What happened to Jackie's pink hat?
3. Where did Oswald get his ammo?
4. Why did Tippit stop Oswald?
5. Who was the Babushka Lady?

any more?

If one were to believe the naysayers around here, there are no answers to anything at all (none, nada, zilch, etc). There are only more questions. The investigation was completely botched and they got every fricking thing wrong.   

[Royell Storing]

DCM was also caught on film with the Three Tramps (in what was, at the time, a roped off area where the general public could not enter). Was he familiar with some or all of the characters in this photographed scenario? Obviously YES.

   (1)  What area was the "roped off area" you are referring to?  Also, the 3 Tramps were reported to have been found by DPD inside a "Boxcar". Do you know where this alleged "Boxcar" was situated? The Darnell and Martin films show only "Passenger" Cars + a Caboose sitting on the railroad tracks.   

[Robert Reeves]

   (1)  What area was the "roped off area" you are referring to?  Also, the 3 Tramps were reported to have been found by DPD inside a "Boxcar". Do you know where this alleged "Boxcar" was situated? The Darnell and Martin films show only "Passenger" Cars + a Caboose sitting on the railroad tracks.   

Found in Harold Weisberg's archive: according to a source in either DPD or the Sheriff dept (Weisberg speculated if Sheriff's dept it came from Roger Craig), Penn Jones was told the boxcar containing the Three Tramps most photographed that day was stopped opposite 260 South Houston St, as marked on the map, below. I'm guessing Bowers had the train stopped? if not, we would have never got to see these three tramps.



Allen photographs show the DPD and fire dept created a cordon around the TSBD using officers and vehicles. At points there was an actual rope holding back the crowds, as seen at southeast corner of Elm and Houston streets at approximately 1 p.m. below



Fire dept and DPD.





Interestingly, if you listen to the filmed interview with the 'Doyle' tramp, he says, the crowd was calling them names and very close. And this was very soon after the assassination, the Three Tramps alleged arrest sheet states they were apprehended right after JFK was shot. This event I believe was caught on film.





Frames from Mentesana show crowd still gathered in the pool area. above. I believe Mentesana shows the Gedney, Doyle, Abrams being escorted through this very close crowd of people, as Doyle described taking place 'right after JFK was shot'.

The Three Tramps photographed show no large crowds close to them, an hour or more after the assassination? The crowd situation around the TSDB is very much under control.





DCM is loitering around out front of the TSBD whilst suspects in the shooting of the president are casually led through the plaza. Maybe he knew them? Or he was known to the cops in control of security at the time. Wonder if he handed over his camera (he used to film the assassination) to the cops? seeing he was close it would have solved so much.





DCM holding a camera at waist height filming the oncoming limo. A spotter!

The guy just disappeared into thin air after the assassination. Maybe he was on the same train as our mysterious tramps!?!



Seems like no one seemed to give a flying you know what about DCM guy and what he was up to. Especially not the WC.

[Royell Storing]

Found in Harold Weisberg's archive: according to a source in either DPD or the Sheriff dept (Weisberg speculated if Sheriff's dept it came from Roger Craig), Penn Jones was told the boxcar containing the Three Tramps most photographed that day was stopped opposite 260 South Houston St, as marked on the map, below. I'm guessing Bowers had the train stopped? if not, we would have never got to see these three tramps.



Allen photographs show the DPD and fire dept created a cordon around the TSBD using officers and vehicles. At points there was an actual rope holding back the crowds, as seen at southeast corner of Elm and Houston streets at approximately 1 p.m. below



Fire dept and DPD.





Interestingly, if you listen to the filmed interview with the 'Doyle' tramp, he says, the crowd was calling them names and very close. And this was very soon after the assassination, the Three Tramps alleged arrest sheet states they were apprehended right after JFK was shot. This event I believe was caught on film.





Frames from Mentesana show crowd still gathered in the pool area. above. I believe Mentesana shows the Gedney, Doyle, Abrams being escorted through this very close crowd of people, as Doyle described taking place 'right after JFK was shot'.

The Three Tramps photographed show no large crowds close to them, an hour or more after the assassination? The crowd situation around the TSDB is very much under control.





DCM is loitering around out front of the TSBD whilst suspects in the shooting of the president are casually led through the plaza. Maybe he knew them? Or he was known to the cops in control of security at the time. Wonder if he handed over his camera (he used to film the assassination) to the cops? seeing he was close it would have solved so much.





DCM holding a camera at waist height filming the oncoming limo. A spotter!

The guy just disappeared into thin air after the assassination. Maybe he was on the same train as our mysterious tramps!?!



Seems like no one seemed to give a flying you know what about DCM guy and what he was up to. Especially not the WC.

   ROBERT - Thanks for the info. If the boxcar that the 3 tramps were found inside was located on the (S) side of Commerce St, how is it that there is a photograph of the 3 Tramps in front of the TSBD Tall Double Gates as the 3 Tramps are being marched down the Elm St Ext? The location of that Box Car and the 3 Tramps being photo'd as they march down the Elm St Ext conflict with each other. 

[Charles Collins]

   ROBERT - Thanks for the info. If the boxcar that the 3 tramps were found inside was located on the (S) side of Commerce St, how is it that there is a photograph of the 3 Tramps in front of the TSBD Tall Double Gates as the 3 Tramps are being marched down the Elm St Ext? The location of that Box Car and the 3 Tramps being photo'd as they march down the Elm St Ext conflict with each other.

David V. Harkness’ account from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 207:

I was then assigned to go down to the railroad yards and check the boxcars. So we went down and pulled several people off and sent them to the sheriff’s office to check them out. In this particular case, there was a freight train which had a lot of boxcars on it. Everybody that we found back there behind the Union Station and around the overpass we took with us that was unaccounted for. We found a train which was probably two or three hundred yards to the south of the Triple Underpass; everything was stopped when the parade was going by there. These so-called tramps were in a boxcar. Anyone that was loitering around near this train was picked up. We just started with the engineer and went all the way to the back of this train. It was the only one that was in the yard. There were several officers out there. Every time we’d get one, we’d send a couple to take them over to the sheriff’s office. I think Officers Wise and Bass took the ones over that were in the pictures in a magazine. There were several taken off and sent to the sheriff’s office, but I don’t remember how many. I don’t recall all the officers that were there, but I took six or eight down there myself. There’s been a lot of talk about these so-called tramps, but these were just ordinary people, transients, most of them. We had those type of people come through the area all the time. Usually, when we took them in, because of the overpass and the construction of Dealey Plaza, we’d come over close to the School Book Depository since the sheriffs office was kind of diagonal across the street from there. The sheriff’s office at that time was on the first floor of the Criminal Courts Building.

[Royell Storing]

David V. Harkness’ account from “No More Silence” by Larry Sneed, page 207:

I was then assigned to go down to the railroad yards and check the boxcars. So we went down and pulled several people off and sent them to the sheriff’s office to check them out. In this particular case, there was a freight train which had a lot of boxcars on it. Everybody that we found back there behind the Union Station and around the overpass we took with us that was unaccounted for. We found a train which was probably two or three hundred yards to the south of the Triple Underpass; everything was stopped when the parade was going by there. These so-called tramps were in a boxcar. Anyone that was loitering around near this train was picked up. We just started with the engineer and went all the way to the back of this train. It was the only one that was in the yard. There were several officers out there. Every time we’d get one, we’d send a couple to take them over to the sheriff’s office. I think Officers Wise and Bass took the ones over that were in the pictures in a magazine. There were several taken off and sent to the sheriff’s office, but I don’t remember how many. I don’t recall all the officers that were there, but I took six or eight down there myself. There’s been a lot of talk about these so-called tramps, but these were just ordinary people, transients, most of them. We had those type of people come through the area all the time. Usually, when we took them in, because of the overpass and the construction of Dealey Plaza, we’d come over close to the School Book Depository since the sheriffs office was kind of diagonal across the street from there. The sheriff’s office at that time was on the first floor of the Criminal Courts Building.

   CHARLES - Thanks. It seems there were many Unidentified Tramps in addition to the photographed 3 Tramps. Advance security for JFK was basically nil.