T.F. Bowley, A Wind-Up Wristwatch & 1:17

[John Mytton]

Well, Lt.Day apparently either forgot to tell FBI agent Drain about the palm print or Drain did not hear Lt.Day say anything about it.

Drain was willing to sign  an affidavit stating he was not told about the print, while Day decided not to sign one affirming Day had informed Drain about the print.

The FBI examined the rifle and found no prints on it nor even any signs the rifle had been dusted.

The FBI did not become aware that a print had supposedly  been lifted by Day until about a week later after Oswald was dead and his body was at the morgue.

It was at that time that According to the attending mortician , 2  FBI agents visited the morgue and when they left, the mortician noticed Oswald’s hands had been covered with black ink.

There is a part of Tom Aleyas film that shows Lt. Day using a brush on the rifle but it’s uncertain if there’s actually dust on the barrel or the brush nor is Day  actually shown applying tape and lifting a print with the tape.

There is no recording of the rifle being disassembled and then Day dusting the rifle and then applying tape and then lifting and applying the tape to a card to transfer the print.

This raises suspicion because it’s similar to not recording by film or tape recorder the process of interrogating Oswald which could have easily been done also.

Its like the  inability to allow Aleya to film the paper bag that was allegedly found in the SN or at least photograph the bag in place before the SN was rearranged several times.

It’s like the inability to at least have neutral 3rd parties like an attorney and stenographer present while Oswald was being questioned by Fritz.

So yes, while I might agree with SOME  of the evidence that JohnM and Bill Brown very astutely illustrate and with SOME points of their logical construction of a time line for Oswald, I still have issues with what  appears to be a very sloppy process by DPD/FBI of attaining and documenting the evidence. The failure to record the most important interrogation of Oswald  is the most crucial point of all that basically denies due process and thus introduces reasonable doubt about the veracity of the evidence.

On the following Monday, the Chicago Tribune reported that on Sunday the 24th, Dallas County Officials disclosed that Oswald's palm print was discovered on the barrel of the rifle!!



Obtaining prints from deceased individuals is done for many reasons and in this case wouldn't you want to be sure that you're 100% positive that the man shot by Ruby and the body in the Morgue was in fact Lee Harvey Oswald? Because you know how suspicious Conspiracy Theorists are? Right? LOL!



The FBI confirmed beyond all doubt that Oswald palm touched the rifle and since dead people don't sweat, I think we can safely say the Oswald touched the rifle while still alive.



Oswald's paper sack that was found in Oswald's sniper's nest and photographed here a few hours later is the right size to carry Oswald's broken down rifle.







JohnM

[Richard Smith]

On the following Monday, the Chicago Tribune reported that on Sunday the 24th, Dallas County Officials disclosed that Oswald's palm print was discovered on the barrel of the rifle!!



Obtaining prints from deceased individuals is done for many reasons and in this case wouldn't you want to be sure that you're 100% positive that the man shot by Ruby and the body in the Morgue was in fact Lee Harvey Oswald? Because you know how suspicious Conspiracy Theorists are? Right? LOL!



The FBI confirmed beyond all doubt that Oswald palm touched the rifle and since dead people don't sweat, I think we can safely say the Oswald touched the rifle while still alive.



Oswald's paper sack that was found in Oswald's sniper's nest and photographed here a few hours later is the right size to carry Oswald's broken down rifle.







JohnM

The theory that Day would fabricate this print after Oswald was already dead and the authorities were satisfied of his guilt is laughable.  There is zero incentive to do so. There was ample evidence to link Oswald to the rifle in the absence of any print. There are a multitude of reasons for Day not to do so including losing his job, humiliation, and possibly prison.  And I thought the CTer view was that the FBI was in on the framing of Oswald.  But they won't confirm his print on the rifle?  Why claim there was only one if the DPD is making this up?  Why not go all out and say his prints are all over the rifle and the FBI confirms as part of their role in framing Oswald?

[John Mytton]

The theory that Day would fabricate this print after Oswald was already dead and the authorities were satisfied of his guilt is laughable.  There is zero incentive to do so. There was ample evidence to link Oswald to the rifle in the absence of any print. There are a multitude of reasons for Day not to do so including losing his job, humiliation, and possibly prison.  And I thought the CTer view was that the FBI was in on the framing of Oswald.  But they won't confirm his print on the rifle?  Why claim there was only one if the DPD is making this up?  Why not go all out and say his prints are all over the rifle and the FBI confirms as part of their role in framing Oswald?

Zeon is like most modern CT's because they fully know there isn't a speck of evidence that anybody but Oswald did it, so they become anomaly hunters and without a shred of logical deductive reasoning they will throw anybody under a bus in hopes of sustaining their pointless suspicions, for example the interrogations are all lies except when they're not, the FBI altered evidence except when they didn't, key eyewitnesses cannot be trusted except when they can, and on and on it goes.

Anyway here's an interesting little titbit I found within some conspiracy literature, which according to the official timeline seems to be accurate.

1. Oswald's body was released from Parkland at around 11PM on Sunday night.
2. In the early hours of Monday, Secret Agents came and took Oswald's prints, and as I previously postulated this would be a forensic necessity in a case of this importance.

But here's the zinger, as posted above from the front page of the Chicago Tribune, it was reported that the Dallas Police disclosed the "Palmprint on the rifle barrel" way earlier than when the Secret Agents had access to Oswald's body?!?
Now wait for it, 3..2..1.. here comes the cries from the devoted, of yet another piece of official misinformation! Yawn!

In 1963 Paul Groody was employed at the Miller Funeral
Home in Fort Worth, where Oswald’s corpse was received from
Parkland Hospital in nearby Dallas at around 11 pm on 24
November, to be embalmed and prepared immediately for a
hasty viewing and burial the next day. In the early hours of 25
November Mr Groody’s work on Oswald’s corpse was
interrupted by the arrival of two ‘agents’. Mr Groody is now
dead but he did record statements to the effect that he didn’t
know whether the ‘agents’ were from the FBI or the Secret
Service.8 We can therefore infer with confidence that the two
men were formally attired rather than in any kind of uniform.
https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/lob69-jfk-assassination.pdf

JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

You guys are making it very difficult for me to remain a loyal dedicated CT so I am going to remain merely as a skeptic just to give you loyalist WC devotees some kind of reason to continue posting here on the forum, even if it’s to 🙄 at old school Zeons questions. 🙂

[Martin Weidmann]

You guys are making it very difficult for me to remain a loyal dedicated CT so I am going to remain merely as a skeptic just to give you loyalist WC devotees some kind of reason to continue posting here on the forum, even if it’s to 🙄 at old school Zeons questions. 🙂

Your questions are beyond valid, Zeon.

If the case against Oswald was solid, they would not have the need for "evidence" suddenly showing up, whenever it was convenient.

Never mind that most of it had no chain of custody to actually place it at the scene of the crime to begin with.....   

For that they rely on all sorts of wack explanations, ignoring the simple fact that conclusive evidence and a solid chain of custody do not need any explanation at all.
The harder the try to explain things that are clearly questionable the weaker the "evidence" they are using becomes.