T.F. Bowley, A Wind-Up Wristwatch & 1:17

[Zeon Mason]

It’s seems odd to me that Oswald would  have walked 7 blocks to get on a bus that he could see  was parked in a position such that the bus was facing TSBD because the last thing thing he would want is to do is go back towards the TSBD if he was intending to go home asap.

If Bledsoe made up the part about seeing a hole in Oswald’s brown shirt which he was not yet wearing, then how can we believe anything else she says?

If Mcwatters cannot ID Oswald, and the ticket had no fingerprints then it’s a weak argument to proclaim that because some ticket had the same punch mark McWatters used proves Oswald was the man to whom that ticket was given.

Its highly improbable that Oswald was only casually searched after being arrested as prime suspect who shot a police officer,

Especially if Oswald had just been involved in hitting  another DPD officer and was resisting arrest outside the theater also.

Therefore wallet and ticket and bullets supposedly found  on Oswald’s should have been  found immediately on Oswald’s person instead of hours later.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt about the validity of the evidence and considering the chain of custody problems also, such evidence is suspect.

Regarding Markam catching her 1:15 bus, it’s more probable imo that  it’s the 1:12 bus which matches her leaving by 1:04 clock and half way to the bus stop by 1:07 which = arriving at her bus stop by 1:10 thus only having to wait 2 minutes and not likely more than 5 minutes even if the 1:12 bus was a few minutes late.

The other option of a 1:22 bus would require   that either Markams 1:07 time was accurate and that she was going to wait for 12 more minutes upon reaching the bus stop , or you have to claim that Markams clock was slow  by at least 6 minutes such that what she thought was 1:07 was actually 1:13 and that she was arriving at her bus stop at 1:15 which would require waiting another 7 minutes ( or more if the 1:22 bus was a few minutes late).

Here’s another reason: Markam relies  on a bus to get to work and to  be more probable to get to work she opts to take the 1:12 bus because if for some reason that bus fails  to show up, she still has  a good chance of catching a 1:22 bus allowing her to get to work despite the mishap of the other bus failure.

[Richard Smith]

It’s seems odd to me that Oswald would  have walked 7 blocks to get on a bus that he could see  was parked in a position such that the bus was facing TSBD because the last thing thing he would want is to do is go back towards the TSBD if he was intending to go home asap.

If Bledsoe made up the part about seeing a hole in Oswald’s brown shirt which he was not yet wearing, then how can we believe anything else she says?

If Mcwatters cannot ID Oswald, and the ticket had no fingerprints then it’s a weak argument to proclaim that because some ticket had the same punch mark McWatters used proves Oswald was the man to whom that ticket was given.

Its highly improbable that Oswald was only casually searched after being arrested as prime suspect who shot a police officer,

Especially if Oswald had just been involved in hitting  another DPD officer and was resisting arrest outside the theater also.

Therefore wallet and ticket and bullets supposedly found  on Oswald’s should have been  found immediately on Oswald’s person instead of hours later.

Therefore there is reasonable doubt about the validity of the evidence and considering the chain of custody problems also, such evidence is suspect.

Regarding Markam catching her 1:15 bus, it’s more probable imo that  it’s the 1:12 bus which matches her leaving by 1:04 clock and half way to the bus stop by 1:07 which = arriving at her bus stop by 1:10 thus only having to wait 2 minutes and not likely more than 5 minutes even if the 1:12 bus was a few minutes late.

The other option of a 1:22 bus would require   that either Markams 1:07 time was accurate and that she was going to wait for 12 more minutes upon reaching the bus stop , or you have to claim that Markams clock was slow  by at least 6 minutes such that what she thought was 1:07 was actually 1:13 and that she was arriving at her bus stop at 1:15 which would require waiting another 7 minutes ( or more if the 1:22 bus was a few minutes late).

Here’s another reason: Markam relies  on a bus to get to work and to  be more probable to get to work she opts to take the 1:12 bus because if for some reason that bus fails  to show up, she still has  a good chance of catching a 1:22 bus allowing her to get to work despite the mishap of the other bus failure.

This is brutal.  Here it is again.  WHY would the conspirators fake Oswald's presence on the bus?  W-H-Y?

[Zeon Mason]

I think the reason somebody decided to plant a ticket with McWatters punch mark, was to  “embellish” the time line that was being constructed for the period of time  Oswald  left TSBD to when he was seen by Earlene Roberts entering the boarding house

They were trying to discredit other witnesses (Roger Craig  etc) claiming to have seen Oswald leaving TSBD at 12:45 and picked up by a rambler station wagon by DC man after a whistle was heard.

So it’s more like an overzealous decision they made just like some of the other decisions they made up on the 6th floor TSBD at the SN window moving and placing boxes and failing to photograph the paper bag that has various accounts of where it was found.

So it’s NOT “conspirators” wanting a fake Oswald on a bus. It is instead an overzealous Fritz /DPD team under a LOT of pressure to make sure Oswald was their man and to follow Hoover directive the public must be convinced of no conspiracy.

[Bill Brown]

Regarding Markam catching her 1:15 bus, it’s more probable imo that  it’s the 1:12 bus which matches her leaving by 1:04 clock and half way to the bus stop by 1:07 which = arriving at her bus stop by 1:10 thus only having to wait 2 minutes and not likely more than 5 minutes even if the 1:12 bus was a few minutes late.

The other option of a 1:22 bus would require   that either Markams 1:07 time was accurate and that she was going to wait for 12 more minutes upon reaching the bus stop , or you have to claim that Markams clock was slow  by at least 6 minutes such that what she thought was 1:07 was actually 1:13 and that she was arriving at her bus stop at 1:15 which would require waiting another 7 minutes ( or more if the 1:22 bus was a few minutes late).

Here’s another reason: Markam relies  on a bus to get to work and to  be more probable to get to work she opts to take the 1:12 bus because if for some reason that bus fails  to show up, she still has  a good chance of catching a 1:22 bus allowing her to get to work despite the mishap of the other bus failure.

Zeon,

The FBI determined that a bus stopped at that stop at 1:12, 1:22 and about every ten minutes afterward.  Markham was not due at work until 2:30.  She had plenty of time to catch another bus even if it was the 1:22 bus that she would miss.

[Dan O'meara]

I think the reason somebody decided to plant a ticket with McWatters punch mark, was to  “embellish” the time line that was being constructed for the period of time  Oswald  left TSBD to when he was seen by Earlene Roberts entering the boarding house

They were trying to discredit other witnesses (Roger Craig  etc) claiming to have seen Oswald leaving TSBD at 12:45 and picked up by a rambler station wagon by DC man after a whistle was heard.

So it’s more like an overzealous decision they made just like some of the other decisions they made up on the 6th floor TSBD at the SN window moving and placing boxes and failing to photograph the paper bag that has various accounts of where it was found.

So it’s NOT “conspirators” wanting a fake Oswald on a bus. It is instead an overzealous Fritz /DPD team under a LOT of pressure to make sure Oswald was their man and to follow Hoover directive the public must be convinced of no conspiracy.

"I think the reason somebody decided to plant a ticket with McWatters punch mark, was to  “embellish” the time line that was being constructed for the period of time  Oswald  left TSBD to when he was seen by Earlene Roberts entering the boarding house"

How did "they" know what McWatters' punch mark looked like?
How did "they" know that McWatters had given a transfer to a man not far from the TSBD?

I agree that the DPD investigation was incompetent beyond belief, including the unbelievably incompetent search of Oswald after he was arrested.

[Martin Weidmann]

Zeon,

The FBI determined that a bus stopped at that stop at 1:12, 1:22 and about every ten minutes afterward.  Markham was not due at work until 2:30.  She had plenty of time to catch another bus even if it was the 1:22 bus that she would miss.

That may be true, but she said she left her home to make a phone call and ultimately left for the bus stop at 1.06 or 1.07.
Now why would she do that if she could have caught a bus on Jefferson at 1.32 or even later?

It doesn't matter which bus you think she could have caught. What matters is that, in her mind, she placed herself at the bus stop at 1.15, which is why she left at 1.06 or 1.07, and I would argue that was her daily routine.

[Richard Smith]

I think the reason somebody decided to plant a ticket with McWatters punch mark, was to  “embellish” the time line that was being constructed for the period of time  Oswald  left TSBD to when he was seen by Earlene Roberts entering the boarding house

They were trying to discredit other witnesses (Roger Craig  etc) claiming to have seen Oswald leaving TSBD at 12:45 and picked up by a rambler station wagon by DC man after a whistle was heard.

So it’s more like an overzealous decision they made just like some of the other decisions they made up on the 6th floor TSBD at the SN window moving and placing boxes and failing to photograph the paper bag that has various accounts of where it was found.

So it’s NOT “conspirators” wanting a fake Oswald on a bus. It is instead an overzealous Fritz /DPD team under a LOT of pressure to make sure Oswald was their man and to follow Hoover directive the public must be convinced of no conspiracy.

How exactly does the bus non-event advance any of these objectives?  The bus takes Oswald nowhere.  Oswald was seen by the cab driver.  He would also have to be in on the plot to cover up for Oswald taking a ride with someone else to his boardinghouse.  There is no reason to fake both a bus and cab ride.  And why are the conspirators or whomever you are implying drove Oswald from the TSBD helping to escape.  Aren't they trying to frame him?

[Zeon Mason]

Whaleys manifest has Oswald in his taxi not later than 12:45 and this was in conflict with Roger Craig’s observation of Oswald at 12:45 at the SW corner of TSBD and him running to the rambler station wagon driven by DC man.

So the ticket would be useful (they thought)  to reinforce the Whaley taxi ride and a ticket added to Oswald’s shirt , so that Roger Craig whom had been a Deputy Sheriff of the Year, could be more effectively discredited.

But they got the wrong estimate (imo) on the shooting of Tippet occurring at 1:15 because maybe somebody thought ( (like Bill Brown 🤔) that the DOA 1:15 document meant the same thing as  a physician “estimate” of death and therefore Tippit died 1:15 at 10th and Patton)

IF however, Oswald did in fact tell Fritz about boarding a bus , and IF Oswald really did shoot Tippit, then is it reasonable to suspect that Oswald maybe just made that up to try To aid himself by discrediting ( in his mind) the Whaley taxi ride ( perhaps Oswald saw Whaley write in the 12:45 block of his manifest) by Oswald claiming to be on a bus getting a ticket at 12:45?

This is why I’d rather just disregard the bus ticket and Oswald on the bus as late as 12:43 as unsubstantiated and just go with Whaleys 15 minute variable 12:30-12:45 manifest block in which case it’s possible therefore that Oswald got in the taxi as early as 12:40.

Then the 1:07 timeline arrival to 10th and Patton works , the clocks and watches of Bowley and Markam don’t have be running 6 minutes slow, and Tippit is shot by 1:09 and the  Bowley call made at 1:10, and the ambulance dispatched gets to the scene by 1:12, loads the body in 30 seconds, returns to hospital by 1:14:30, unloads  body to emergency room in another 30 secs, where the doctor notes the time is 1:15 as he pronounces Tippit dead.