Peter Dale Scott The Mexico City Tape And Photographs

[Duncan MacRae]

Peter Dale Scott The Mexico City Tape And Photographs

[Jeff Shaw]

Here’s what’s always flummoxed me on Mexico City. Despite David Attlee Phillips’ claims to the contrary, we know from the HSCA that the CIA cameras in MC were functional during the period of Oswald’s alleged visits to the Cuban Embassy, from which we can infer that there would exist pics of LHO in Mexico City, either outside the Cuban Consulate or Embassy, or both. Given the intelligence community’s rush to frame Oswald in the aftermath of Dallas, why didn’t we see pics of Oswald in MC plastered all over the front pages of newspapers on 11/23/63?

There can only be one answer………..Oswald was never there.

[Richard Smith]

Here’s what’s always flummoxed me on Mexico City. Despite David Attlee Phillips’ claims to the contrary, we know from the HSCA that the CIA cameras in MC were functional during the period of Oswald’s alleged visits to the Cuban Embassy, from which we can infer that there would exist pics of LHO in Mexico City, either outside the Cuban Consulate or Embassy, or both. Given the intelligence community’s rush to frame Oswald in the aftermath of Dallas, why didn’t we see pics of Oswald in MC plastered all over the front pages of newspapers on 11/23/63?

There can only be one answer………..Oswald was never there.

There are a couple of plausible scenarios here.  The CIA is not infallible.  First, they simply didn't have photos of every single person who entered the embassy on every single day.  Imagine how many such embassies existed around the world.  How many photos that would have to be taken.   How many agents would have to be assigned to do nothing other than take such photos.  Second, perhaps the CIA did capture images of Oswald and maybe even tape recordings.   After his death, however, they decided it was not worth revealing their means and methods of surveillance by disclosing the photos and evidence to the world.  The Cubans/Russians could easily reverse engineer any such evidence to determine how the Americans were spying on them and take countermeasures to undermine those methods. 

Regardless, it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to fake Oswald's presence in Mexico City.  His defection to the USSR was more than sufficient to characterize him as a political nut if that was the objective.  And, of course, an assassin doesn't have to be a political nut.  There is no reason in a conspiracy narrative to fake this incident and it is fraught with risk as a faked event if anyone else could place Oswald in another location during this timeframe.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

There are a couple of plausible scenarios here.  The CIA is not infallible.  First, they simply didn't have photos of every single person who entered the embassy on every single day.  Imagine how many such embassies existed around the world.  How many photos that would have to be taken.   How many agents would have to be assigned to do nothing other than take such photos.  Second, perhaps the CIA did capture images of Oswald and maybe even tape recordings.   After his death, however, they decided it was not worth revealing their means and methods of surveillance by disclosing the photos and evidence to the world.  The Cubans/Russians could easily reverse engineer any such evidence to determine how the Americans were spying on them and take countermeasures to undermine those methods. 

Regardless, it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to fake Oswald's presence in Mexico City.  His defection to the USSR was more than sufficient to characterize him as a political nut if that was the objective.  And, of course, an assassin doesn't have to be a political nut.  There is no reason in a conspiracy narrative to fake this incident and it is fraught with risk as a faked event if anyone else could place Oswald in another location during this timeframe.

The HSCA concluded - through the so-called Lopez Report - this:


The CIA said their pulse cameras were broken, not working. But one would think a backup manual surveillance would have been done. Apparently there wasn't. So, if you have a conspiracy mindset that sounds sinister. If you have a "this is government at work" mindset it sounds plausible. One of the problems with the conspiracy advocates is they simply refuse to believe that the CIA or government simply screws up, is incompetent, gets things wrong. Have they ever gone to get a driver's license? A pothole in the road filled?

Anyway, call me a cynic but I think the same people like Scott who reject all of the existing evidence - physical, eyewitness and circumstantial - that Oswald went to Mexico City and visited the Cuban and Soviet facilities simply would not accept CIA photos of him there. They just wouldn't.

Oswald sent a letter to the Soviet Embassy in Washington discussing his visit. A draft copy, in his handwriting, was found. Here we have evidence from Oswald that he went there. Scott's response is, of course, they are fake. My above cynicism isn't groundless.

[Michael Capasse]

LBJ:  Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Hoover:  No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the
photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name.  That picture and the tape
do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance.  In other words, it appears that there is a
second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there.

(LBJ Library, transcript from the November 23 call from Hoover to Lyndon Johnson)

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They knew exactly who it was...

https://jfk.boards.net/post/3079

[Jeff Shaw]

The Lopez investigators were quite thorough in interviewing CIA personnel from the MC station, right down to camera technicians/installers. They concluded cameras covering both the Cuban Embassy and Consulate were functioning during the period of Oswald’s alleged visits. They further concluded, through these interviews, that various CIA personnel had seen the photos and heard audiotapes of the man alleged to be LHO.

To the argument that the agency could not have staffed cameras
at so many embassies/consulates around the world, the Lopez Report makes clear that some relevant compounds were covered by impulse cameras that required no human staffing. Such was the case with the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City.

As to the disposition of the above-cited photos and audiotapes, the report was unable to locate any of the purported evidence.

[Mitch Todd]

LBJ:  Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Hoover:  No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the
photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name.  That picture and the tape
do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance.  In other words, it appears that there is a
second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there.

(LBJ Library, transcript from the November 23 call from Hoover to Lyndon Johnson)

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They knew exactly who it was...

https://jfk.boards.net/post/3079

Assuming that "they" knew who it was in the photo, it does not follow that the person in the photo had anything to do with Oswald or the assassination.

[Michael Capasse]

Assuming that "they" knew who it was in the photo, it does not follow that the person in the photo had anything to do with Oswald or the assassination.

Hoover: "...photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name."