Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory  (Read 18197 times)

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2768
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2024, 01:33:53 PM »
Advertisement
The Knott Lab "recreation" doesn't even have Kennedy and Connally in the correct positions.

   The Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE regarding the tracing of bullet trajectories is routinely admitted into courtrooms as EVIDENCE across the USA day-in-day-out. The lone gunman stuff has Always been based on nothing more than a THEORY. Kinda like when people merely accepted the THEORY that the Earth was flat. Just like that Theory was eventually guffawed at, SCIENCE has now Proven that the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE".  And that result also vindicated the relentlessly ridiculed Cyril Wecht.   
« Last Edit: April 23, 2024, 01:41:04 PM by Royell Storing »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2024, 01:33:53 PM »


Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2768
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2024, 01:39:50 PM »
You're absolutely right, Richard.

Most of those polled who supposedly believe the assassination was the result of a conspiracy don't know a damn thing about the case at all.  They don't know names like Ruth Paine, J.D. Tippit, Howard Brennan and Buell Frazier.  They only know terms like "grassy knoll' and "magic bullet".

   We have an entire generation just becoming familiar with the JFK Assassination. How about speeding their learning curve and helping to educate them? Condescension achieves absolutely nothing.

Offline Bill Brown

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1815
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2024, 02:46:19 PM »
   We have an entire generation just becoming familiar with the JFK Assassination. How about speeding their learning curve and helping to educate them? Condescension achieves absolutely nothing.

There was nothing condescending in what I said.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2024, 02:46:19 PM »


Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2768
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2024, 03:12:13 PM »
There was nothing condescending in what I said.

   As Brad Garrett, ("Everybody Loves Raymond"), exclaims in his best Jimmy John's sandwich commercial, "THAT'S A PROBLEM!". You have a lot of knowledge with regard to the JFK Assassination. Why not come down from your high horse and become a Mentor?  "A good deed is its own reward"

Offline Dan O'meara

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3160
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2024, 10:00:31 PM »
I'll bite.  Who are you referring to and what did they say, re: what the man with the rifle was wearing?

Hi Bill, not really sure why you have to "bite" as this is really common knowledge. As we shall see, the eye-witnesses in question collectively describe the same type and colour of garment the shooter was wearing and it is known that Oswald didn't wear such a garment to work that day and didn't have one in his possessions.
The shooter was wearing clothes that Oswald didn't.
I'll start with Ronald Fischer and Bob Edwards.
Both got a really good look at the man in the SN seconds before the Presidential limo entered Dealey Plaza. Fischer, in particular, got a really good look at him and it must be remembered that these two got a look at the man when his face wasn't obscured by a rifle. Edwards initially pointed him out and was making fun of him in his cramped position behind the boxes but Fischer's attention was drawn to the man because he was doing something that seemed quite unusual - instead of looking at where the motorcade would enter Dealey Plaza, this guy was looking in almost the opposite direction, towards the underpass. Fischer describes the man as being "transfixed".
In the aftermath of the assassination both men were question by Deputy Sheriff Lummie Lewis. In his report the day after the assassination Lewis records that, according to Fischer and Roberts, the man on the 6th floor wore a "Sport shirt opened at the collar".
In his affidavit, taken on the day of the assassination, Edwards states that he noticed the man was wearing "a sport shirt, it was light colored, it was yellow or white."
In his affidavit, Fischer simply states that the man "had on an open necked shirt".
Then we come to their WC testimonies.
Edwards -

Light colored shirt, short sleeve and open neck.

Fischer -

And he had--he had on an open-neck shirt, but it-uh--could have been a sport shirt or a T-shirt. It was light in color; probably white, I couldn't tell whether it had long sleeves or whether it was a short-sleeved shirt, but it was open-neck and light in color.

Mr. Belin: The statement here says that he was light-headed and that he had on an open-neck shirt. Did he have an open---neck shirt on?
Mr. Fischer: Yes.


Both men got a really good look at the man on the 6th floor, Fischer in particular. They describe him wearing a very light, white or almost white, open necked sport shirt. Oswald was wearing a brown shirt and white t-shirt. It's very easy to tell the difference between a t-shirt of the type Oswald was wearing and an open necked sport shirt. They are two very different garments.

Next up is Arnold Rowland who saw the man on the west side of the 6th floor around 15 minutes before the motorcade arrived. Up front I'd like to say that I'm not a believer in the Major Miracle on Elm Street - that Rowland made up this sighting of a man answering the general description of the other eye-witnesses and who was carrying a scoped rifle on the 6th floor only for it to transpire, by some utterly perverse coincidence, that there was indeed a slender, short-haired, white male carrying a scoped rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD building. I find discussing this with those who do believe in the "Miracle" a truly fruitless endeavour.
From Rowland's affidavit on the day of the assassination - "This man appeared to be a white man, and appeared to have a light colored shirt on, open at the neck."
From his WC testimony - "He had on a light shirt, a very light-colored shirt, white or a light blue or a color such as that. This was open at the collar. I think it was unbuttoned about halfway, and then he had a regular T-shirt, a polo shirt under this, at least this is what it appeared to be."

A very light coloured, white/off white, open necked shirt, open at the collar. Three eye-witnesses all describing the same man, same open necked shirt, same very light colour, white or almost white.
Oswald was not wearing such a shirt that day and did not have one in his possessions when he was arrested. I can tell the difference between an open necked sport shirt and the plain white t-shirt Oswald was wearing. It's a very easy distinction to make.
For those who need this man to be Oswald then all three eye-witnesses can't make this very simple distinction. Instead of accepting what they are saying we have to hear about what they really meant to say.

Quote
Hell, my opinion is that Oswald used the brown shirt (the one he was arrested in) to wipe down the rifle of prints as he fled across the sixth floor.  This resulted in microscopic fibers becoming embedded in the crevice between the wooden stock and the metal butt plate which matched test fibers removed from the arrest shirt.  Then, once dropping the rifle into place, Oswald puts on the brown shirt by the time he's seen on the 2nd floor by Baker.

There are so many minor details that rub me up the wrong way and Oswald wiping his fingerprints off the rifle is one of them. Why on earth would he bother doing such a thing if he was going to flee the scene anyway? What's the point if he's heading for the border? Why would he bother to wipe the rifle clean but leave the empty shells on the floor? How could he wipe the rifle so clean considering he had to assemble it on site and every piece would have been covered with prints [...and when did he get the chance to assemble the rifle...and when did he get the chance to construct the "rifle bag"].

« Last Edit: April 23, 2024, 11:44:21 PM by Dan O'meara »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2024, 10:00:31 PM »


Offline Dan O'meara

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3160
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2024, 10:57:30 PM »
   The Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE regarding the tracing of bullet trajectories is routinely admitted into courtrooms as EVIDENCE across the USA day-in-day-out. The lone gunman stuff has Always been based on nothing more than a THEORY. Kinda like when people merely accepted the THEORY that the Earth was flat. Just like that Theory was eventually guffawed at, SCIENCE has now Proven that the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE".  And that result also vindicated the relentlessly ridiculed Cyril Wecht.

Hi Royell, you seem to be the self proclaimed expert on the Knott Lab Laser reconstruction so I wondered if you could help me out with something I don't quite understand about it.
I watched a brief video outlining the reconstruction and how it relates to various photos taken around the time of the assassination. It zooms all over Dealey Plaza showing us views of the throat shot from numerous angles. It then whizzes up to the SN and turns around to show us the view the shooter had and the angle of the bullet [the green line]:



We then zoom down the green line toward the limo where we see how it passes through JFK and hits JBC. Which looks like this:



Now this is what I'm not sure about.
In the pic above the red line appears to show where the bullet entered Connally's back and passed through him. The green line shows the line of the bullet from the SN through JFK to where it hits Connally's back.
It looks to me like the green line hits Connally's back about 10 inches away from where it is supposed to hit [the red line].
Is this what Knott have come up with?
That, according to their calculations, a bullet from the SN would've actually hit Connally about 10 inches away from where it actually did?
Is this what they have demonstrated?
Am I missing something because I feel I must be missing something really major here.
Can you tell me what it is.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2024, 11:02:44 PM by Dan O'meara »

Online Richard Smith

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5309
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2024, 02:19:33 PM »
Almost every witness who encountered Oswald in close proximity after the assassination described his manner of dress differently and even in conflict with one another other.  Some of these witnesses knew it was Oswald they were describing because they worked in the TSBD.  What is the most reasonable way to reconcile these different descriptions?   Was Oswald changing his clothes from encounter to encounter?  Was it not Oswald even though some witnesses knew him or Oswald himself confirmed these encounters took place (bus, cab)?  Or did they simply get some details incorrect because they had no cause to notice and/or used subjective words to describe his appearance which are then subjectively interpreted to suggest a conflict.  Regardless, how does any of this explain the fact that Oswald's rifle was left at the scene of the crime and fired shell casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired?  That is a classic can't see the forest for the trees rabbit hole.  Oswald has no credible alibi, flees the scene, and murders a police officer.  He leaves a trail of evidence that links him to the crime that he can't explain.  The pedantic nitpicking of witness descriptions of someone seen through a 6th floor window when we know that even those who stood face to face with him got the description incorrect is contrarian weak sauce.  And, of course, one witness identified Oswald as the assassin.   

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1496
Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2024, 02:53:14 PM »
Almost every witness who encountered Oswald in close proximity after the assassination described his manner of dress differently and even in conflict with one another other.  Some of these witnesses knew it was Oswald they were describing because they worked in the TSBD.  What is the most reasonable way to reconcile these different descriptions?   Was Oswald changing his clothes from encounter to encounter?  Was it not Oswald even though some witnesses knew him or Oswald himself confirmed these encounters took place (bus, cab)?  Or did they simply get some details incorrect because they had no cause to notice and/or used subjective words to describe his appearance which are then subjectively interpreted to suggest a conflict.  Regardless, how does any of this explain the fact that Oswald's rifle was left at the scene of the crime and fired shell casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired?  That is a classic can't see the forest for the trees rabbit hole.  Oswald has no credible alibi, flees the scene, and murders a police officer.  He leaves a trail of evidence that links him to the crime that he can't explain.  The pedantic nitpicking of witness descriptions of someone seen through a 6th floor window when we know that even those who stood face to face with him got the description incorrect is contrarian weak sauce.  And, of course, one witness identified Oswald as the assassin.
Let's flip this argument about the clothing around: if these witnesses had all described his clothing correctly (however we define that) but they all said it wasn't Oswald, the man's facial qualities were different, it didn't look like Oswald, I don't think any "Oswald was innocent defenders" would accept that as evidence it was him. Anyone saying, "They got the clothes right" would be responded with, "They said it wasn't Oswald!"

In any case, as you point out, no one is relying solely on eyewitnesses. It's the totality of evidence - the circumstantial (primarily), eyewitness and physical - that we think point to Oswald. His behavior alone post assassination is a giant red flag (and it's why many of his defenders say he was a CIA agent/asset and left to meet his handler; his actions post-shooting are inexplicable otherwise).
« Last Edit: April 24, 2024, 02:54:55 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald Acted Alone Is The Most Popular Theory
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2024, 02:53:14 PM »