A Closer Look…

[Andrew Mason]

Oh but I did read it. Same made up unsupported nonsense. What you seem unable to understand, is that no discernable shot pattern is a pattern or could be interpreted to be evenly spaced. 85 non-descript shot pattern statements, all evenly spaced.

But the witnesses did not say that there was no discernible shot pattern.  They just didn't mention it.  And three evenly spaced shots is a discernible pattern.

WC Conclusion: "The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired"
 
HSCA Conclusion:  The buildings around the Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes, that followed the initial sound by from 0 .5 to 1 .5 sec . While these reflections caused no confusion to our listeners, who were prepared and expected to hear them, they may well have inflated the number of shots reported by the suprised witnesses during the assassination .  HSCA Earwitness Analysis Report, pgs 135-137

That might explain why some reported 4 or more shots.  It does not explain why witnesses heard three loud shots distinctly spaced shots, which is what the vast majority reported.  An echo that would have occurred 1.5 seconds after the shot would be from a surface 560 feet away from the observer.  Such an echo would be much less loud and easily distinguished from the muzzle blast
 

HSCA Conclusion: "The committee believed that the witnesses memories and testimony on the number, direction, and timing of the shots may have
been substantially influenced by the intervening publicity concerning the events of November 22 1963"   HSCA Final Report- pg 87

They appear not to have been familiar with the studies that had been done on the effect of publicity on witness accounts. These are all referred to in Loftus, Eyewitness Testimony, 1979 Chapter 4.  Receiving information within a day of the event that is consistent with what occurred, does not affect the accuracy of the witnesses in recalling details. In other words, the accuracy rate of witnesses is the same as those who received no information - about 80%.  However, those who received false information about the events within a day of the event were noticeably affected: 

[Jack Nessan]

But the witnesses did not say that there was no discernible shot pattern.  They just didn't mention it.  And three evenly spaced shots is a discernible pattern.
That might explain why some reported 4 or more shots.  It does not explain why witnesses heard three loud shots distinctly spaced shots, which is what the vast majority reported.  An echo that would have occurred 1.5 seconds after the shot would be from a surface 560 feet away from the observer.  Such an echo would be much less loud and easily distinguished from the muzzle blast
  They appear not to have been familiar with the studies that had been done on the effect of publicity on witness accounts. These are all referred to in Loftus, Eyewitness Testimony, 1979 Chapter 4.  Receiving information within a day of the event that is consistent with what occurred, does not affect the accuracy of the witnesses in recalling details. In other words, the accuracy rate of witnesses is the same as those who received no information - about 80%.  However, those who received false information about the events within a day of the event were noticeably affected: 

 

Here it is again, the usual cute and clever third grade attempts at logic. This must be the same clever logic you used when Thomas Canning decided the only way he was going to get rid of you was to fake the early stages of Alzheimer or dementia.

A lot is missing from your post. 

No answer to the fact that after your Z195 shot JFK continues to wave and smile at the spectators, even though according to your claim the bullet struck him at this time, and your paper stating JFK quits interacting with the crowd once he is shot. JFK was a real trooper to continue smiling and waving even though he was shot in the throat.

Proof of a shot at Z270. Proof there even was three shots. Nothing at all, just a lot of tripe about your strange witness claims and apparently oblivious to the fact that the HSCA, who produced the report, dismissed it and stated it was wrong. I guess you have to keep using it, if not what else is there.

A shot Clint Hill did not hear while Clint Hill was running. No answer at all. This was presented supposedly as proof of a shot at Z270. Clint Hill did not start running until Z310. He not only did not hear the shot, there never was one.

Continuing reliance of witness statements drawn from the HSCA report. Unfortunately, the HSCA ultimately declared the report was wrong, but don’t let that deter you from continuing to make erroneous assumptions in support of a completely failed theory. Ignored the WC making the same statement, but you know better because you are back to pretending you are a math major. 

[Andrew Mason]

Here it is again, the usual cute and clever third grade attempts at logic. This must be the same clever logic you used when Thomas Canning decided the only way he was going to get rid of you was to fake the early stages of Alzheimer or dementia.

A lot is missing from your post. 

No answer to the fact that after your Z195 shot JFK continues to wave and smile at the spectators, even though according to your claim the bullet struck him at this time, and your paper stating JFK quits interacting with the crowd once he is shot. JFK was a real trooper to continue smiling and waving even though he was shot in the throat.

Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:

[Jack Nessan]

Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:

If nothing else you are consistent. You never seem to tire of playing the role of the fool.

[Zeon Mason]

I do not see how it’s probable that a bullet that goes thru the back of JFK at Z193 would exit his throat and NOT hit JC somewhere in JCs back.

 How could it miss JC entirely?

Yes the angle is slightly different at Z193 than at Z224, but is that enough of a different angle to allow a bullet exiting JFCs throat to miss JC entirely either left or right of his upper body?

My earlier suggestion of a Z193 bullet hitting JFK and NOT exiting his body is improbable (imo)  because would not there be MUCH more transfer of momentum to JFKs body and therefore some noticeable forward movement of JFKs body in those frames from Z193-Z200 as Andrew has posted ?

[Andrew Mason]

I do not see how it’s probable that a bullet that goes thru the back of JFK at Z193 would exit his throat and NOT hit JC somewhere in JCs back.

 How could it miss JC entirely?

It didn't. I don't suggest that it did.

Yes the angle is slightly different at Z193 than at Z224, but is that enough of a different angle to allow a bullet exiting JFCs throat to miss JC entirely either left or right of his upper body?

No. It goes to the left of JBC's midline.  At z193 the horizontal angle of the trajectory from the TSBD through JFK to the car direction was about 18 degrees:


Over the 30 inches or so between JFK's throat and JBC's spine, the bullet on an 18 degree right-left path will move farther left by 9.75 inches. So the bullet struck JBC left of his midline.  Where was JBC struck left of his midline? Hint:

[Zeon Mason]

The 2003 Beyond Conspiracy experiment to attempt to replicate the SBT trajectory thru the throat  at Z224 FAILED completely. The bullet exited the JFK torso well below the level of the throat.

So if they could not even replicate the throat exit trajectory at the flatter vertical angle at Z224 , then it’s even LESS probable at the steeper vertical angle of Z193 that the bullet trajectory would have flattened out enough to would have JFKs throat after entering his back where the autopsy photo indicates.

So if  a Z193 shot would more likely have exited lower than the throat, and therefore thru JFK s body , then the bullet upon exiting could  not have completely missed hitting JC.

The speculative Z175 ish bullet is supposedly hitting JC in the left thigh at 2000 ft/sec, because it bypassed JFKs body. Yet JC had no shattered bone in his leg and the bullet did not penetrate thru the leg. In fact JCs inner thigh would was shallow.

So when adding these improbabilities with the improbability that the  little Willis girl could stop in less than 1/18th a sec after hearing a shot at Z193, then the A.Mason 3 shot theory becomes increasing implausible.

[Andrew Mason]

The 2003 Beyond Conspiracy experiment to attempt to replicate the SBT trajectory thru the throat  at Z224 FAILED completely. The bullet exited the JFK torso well below the level of the throat.

So if they could not even replicate the throat exit trajectory at the flatter vertical angle at Z224 , then it’s even LESS probable at the steeper vertical angle of Z193 that the bullet trajectory would have flattened out enough to would have JFKs throat after entering his back where the autopsy photo indicates.

The difference in vertical angle between z193 and z222 is less than 3 degrees. 23.1 degrees at z193 and 20.4 degrees at z222 (from the table in CE884 with z193 interpolated from the angle at z186). 3 degrees is the angle the minute hand moves in half a minute on a clock.

The most important difference is JFK’s forward lean. At z193 JFK is leaning forward but at z225 when we first see him emerging from behind the Stemmons sign, he is sitting up straight, a difference of at least 10 degrees:


This would mean that the angle from the SN through JFK to the direction of JFK's spine was 13 degrees at z193 and 20 degrees at z222.