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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Oak Cliff Time Trials
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2025, 10:18:57 PM »
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Postal saw Oswald whether you like it or not...

"Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket.  I asked him what man.  He said that man that just ducked in here.  I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." -- Julia Postal

Postal then called the police...

"The officer asked me if the man fit the description of the suspect.  I told him I didn't know because I hadn't heard the description of the suspect.  I told the officer that I would describe the man to him and that he could take it from there." -- Julia Postal

Mr. BALL. The last time you had seen him before he ducked in, he was just standing outside of the door, was he?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; he was still just in----just off of the sidewalk, and he headed for the theatre.
Your problem, Bill - well, actually his and the others doing this - is that you are trying to reconstruct what happened, to solve a murder. Sure, you have biases like we all do. Confirmation bias, motivated reasoning. All of that fancy sounding stuff. But you are looking at the totality of evidence and trying as best as you can, again given our human failings, to explain what happened.

He's trying to exonerate Oswald. He's not interested in trying to figure out what happened. He's trying to clear his guy. So, Oswald is totally innocent, all of his actions can be dismissed or ignored while everyone else's actions are given sinister explanations. Why Oswald? Heck if I know.

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Offline Zeon Mason

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2025, 01:27:11 AM »
Here is the timeline I constructed based on Oswald able to have left the TSBD by 3 minutes post shots:

12:33 Oswald begins trek of 7 blocks to reach Mcwatters bus. (7 minutes required for average walking speed)
12:40 Oswald enters Mcwatters bus
12:42 Oswald departs  the bus and begins trek of 4 blocks to reach Whaley’s taxi. Oswald double times jogs this distance in 2 minutes
12.44 Oswald enters Whaley’s taxi.
12:44 Whaley drives the distance to a point 5 blocks from boarding house in 7 minutes minutes (2 min  faster than WC time trial).
12:51  Oswald exits taxi, and double times jogs the 5 blocks in about 2.5 minutes
12:53 Oswald enters boarding house. Takes 2 minutes to change shirt and put on jacket and get the revolver and some extra bullets.
12:55 Oswald leaves boarding house and then lingers about 1 minute outside by the street in view of Earlene Roberts.
12:56. Oswald  begins a “brisk walk” to some location ( perhaps heading to Marsalis  Zoo) that lands Oswald at 10th and Patton 11 minutes later where he is seen by Mariam
at 1:07
1:07-1:08 Tippit stops Oswald and after a 30 sec brief discussion, Tippit gets out of car and is shot by Oswald at 1:08. Oswald leaves the scene.

1:09 Benavides after having waited about 1 minute after Oswald left, and goes to Tippits car tries using radio.
1:10 Bowley arrives and makes 1st call to dispatcher on Tippits radio.
1:10  dispatcher radios hospital to send ambulance
1:12 ambulance arrives at 10th and Patton. 30 secs required to load Tippit
1:12:30 ambulance leaves 10th and Patton
1:14:30 ambulance arrives hospital emergency room. 30 secs required to move body from to room.
1:15 Emergency doctor prounounces Tippit DOA and records that time as 1:15.
 
Note: another 1 to 2 minutes can be subtracted from the overall timeline if Oswald doubletimes some part of the 7 block  distance from TSBD to McWatters bus.

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Re: Oak Cliff Time Trials
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2025, 06:25:53 AM »
Your problem, Bill - well, actually his and the others doing this - is that you are trying to reconstruct what happened, to solve a murder. Sure, you have biases like we all do. Confirmation bias, motivated reasoning. All of that fancy sounding stuff. But you are looking at the totality of evidence and trying as best as you can, again given our human failings, to explain what happened.

He's trying to exonerate Oswald. He's not interested in trying to figure out what happened. He's trying to clear his guy. So, Oswald is totally innocent, all of his actions can be dismissed or ignored while everyone else's actions are given sinister explanations. Why Oswald? Heck if I know.

Yessir.  Iacoletti does everything he can (and suspends all common sense) to try to get Saint Lee of the Oswalds off the hook.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2025, 06:30:15 AM by Bill Brown »

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2025, 08:48:33 PM »
Postal saw Oswald whether you like it or not...

"Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket.  I asked him what man.  He said that man that just ducked in here.  I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." -- Julia Postal

Bullsh!t.  If she had actually seen him "duck in", why didn't she stop him and make him buy a ticket?  Why did she tell both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn't sure whether she sold Oswald a ticket or not?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2025, 08:51:51 PM by John Iacoletti »

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Re: Oak Cliff Time Trials
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2025, 08:50:58 PM »
Your problem, Bill - well, actually his and the others doing this - is that you are trying to reconstruct what happened, to solve a murder. Sure, you have biases like we all do. Confirmation bias, motivated reasoning. All of that fancy sounding stuff. But you are looking at the totality of evidence and trying as best as you can, again given our human failings, to explain what happened.

No, what he is doing is concocting fantasy stories out of thin air in order to fit his predetermined narrative.

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He's trying to exonerate Oswald. He's not interested in trying to figure out what happened. He's trying to clear his guy. So, Oswald is totally innocent, all of his actions can be dismissed or ignored while everyone else's actions are given sinister explanations. Why Oswald? Heck if I know.

No need to "clear" anybody.  You can either prove he committed a crime without appealing to fantasy or you cannot.

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2025, 08:53:17 PM »
Yessir.  Iacoletti does everything he can (and suspends all common sense) to try to get Saint Lee of the Oswalds off the hook.

There's also no need to get somebody "off the hook" when nobody has gotten him on any hook to begin with.  And "common sense" is not evidence.  It's what people appeal to when they don't have actual evidence.

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Re: Oak Cliff Time Trials
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2025, 10:54:30 AM »
Bullsh!t.  If she had actually seen him "duck in", why didn't she stop him and make him buy a ticket?  Why did she tell both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn't sure whether she sold Oswald a ticket or not?

Who said Postal saw the guy duck in?  You're confused.

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2025, 05:11:05 PM »
Yessir.  Iacoletti does everything he can (and suspends all common sense) to try to get Saint Lee of the Oswalds off the hook.
He may be the most obvious doing this but, as you know, it's not just him. A dominant JFK conspiracy hobbyist view (there are exceptions but they are just that: exceptions) expressed at the conspiracy sites is that there is more evidence that Ruth Paine was involved in the assassination of JFK then there is evidence that Oswald was involved. My guess is that 90+% believe she was a conspirator; and 90+% believe Oswald was totally innocent. Remarkable.

That sounds tongue-in-cheek, like a strawman argument: but it's absolutely true.

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2025, 05:11:05 PM »