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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2024, 09:51:18 AM »
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Barely started her campaign and Harris's numbers are looking pretty good. However they are being held down by the same problem that hurt Biden's poll numbers.

There are those who think that Harris is better than Trump and will vote for Harris if the choice is between Harris and Trump. But, they fear Harris is not the strongest candidate we can field. They think Newson or Sanders or whoever would have a better chance. But there is nothing they can do about, nothing they can do to influence this decision. Unless they get a call from a poll taken. Then they can say they don't know who they will vote for. To maybe, by some miracle, drive Harris's poll numbers down to the point she drops out.

But it is going to be Harris. And once this is formalized by the Democratic convention in August, they will have no more reason to lie and will start telling the pollsters the truth, that they will vote for the Democratic candidate, Harris.

Biden has been a great president and we should have stuck with him. In the last month my admiration for him has grown immensely. I have never felt this way about any other politician. And his unselfishly stepping aside only increases my feelings. But I am confident of victory. And six months from now, when Kamala and Joe are being driven together through the streets of Washington D. C., we will be honoring Harris, but our hearts will be ridin with Biden.
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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2024, 02:23:44 PM »
Barely started her campaign and Harris's numbers are looking pretty good. However they are being held down by the same problem that hurt Biden's poll numbers.

There are those who think that Harris is better than Trump and will vote for Harris if the choice is between Harris and Trump. But, they fear Harris is not the strongest candidate we can field. They think Newson or Sanders or whoever would have a better chance. But there is nothing they can do about, nothing they can do to influence this decision. Unless they get a call from a poll taken. Then they can say they don't know who they will vote for. To maybe, by some miracle, drive Harris's poll numbers down to the point she drops out.

But it is going to be Harris. And once this is formalized by the Democratic convention in August, they will have no more reason to lie and will start telling the pollsters the truth, that they will vote for the Democratic candidate, Harris.

Biden has been a great president and we should have stuck with him. In the last month my admiration for him has grown immensely. I have never felt this way about any other politician. And his unselfishly stepping aside only increases my feelings. But I am confident of victory. And six months from now, when Kamala and Joe are being driven together through the streets of Washington D. C., we will be honoring Harris, but our hearts will be ridin with Biden.

Good grief.  That is some type of alternative reality.  Biden didn't step aside.  There was a coup.  Old Joe's poll numbers were so disastrous that the Dem establishment knew he couldn't win.  He still held on until they turned off the money and forced him out.  They made him a Godfather-like offer that he couldn't refuse.  The Dems set up Biden to drop out by scheduling the debate so early.  Biden had shown the same signs of cognitive decline for years that were on display at the debate.  The media and Dem establishment protected him and denied there was any issue until that point.  After the debate, however, they immediately turned on him.  It has all the hallmarks of a set up. 

Cackllin' Kamala is dumb as a rock.  She did not receive a single vote in any presidential primary.  If Old Joe was considered one of the worst presidents in history according to the polls, she will be much, much worse.  I do agree, however, that it will be a close election.  Even Old Joe was in a deadheat before he was forced out.  Cacklin' Kamala is a terrible candidate.  Once the honeymoon is over after the upcoming convention her typical gaffes will deflate her chances.  Remember when she told us that "AI" was two words?  Or that Ukraine was a country in "Europe" and Russia was a bigger country?  LOL.  My favorite though was the creepy ad she filmed with child actors to tell them they were going to the moon.   Those poor kids will never get that imagine of her out of their heads. 

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2024, 05:25:43 PM »
Good grief.  That is some type of alternative reality.  Biden didn't step aside.  There was a coup.  Old Joe's poll numbers were so disastrous that the Dem establishment knew he couldn't win.  He still held on until they turned off the money and forced him out.  They made him a Godfather-like offer that he couldn't refuse.  The Dems set up Biden to drop out by scheduling the debate so early.  Biden had shown the same signs of cognitive decline for years that were on display at the debate.  The media and Dem establishment protected him and denied there was any issue until that point.  After the debate, however, they immediately turned on him.  It has all the hallmarks of a set up. 

Cackllin' Kamala is dumb as a rock.  She did not receive a single vote in any presidential primary.  If Old Joe was considered one of the worst presidents in history according to the polls, she will be much, much worse.  I do agree, however, that it will be a close election.  Even Old Joe was in a deadheat before he was forced out.  Cacklin' Kamala is a terrible candidate.  Once the honeymoon is over after the upcoming convention her typical gaffes will deflate her chances.  Remember when she told us that "AI" was two words?  Or that Ukraine was a country in "Europe" and Russia was a bigger country?  LOL.  My favorite though was the creepy ad she filmed with child actors to tell them they were going to the moon.   Those poor kids will never get that imagine of her out of their heads.

You are giving false information. Yes, Biden was talked into dropping out of the race because the poll numbers were not good enough. He was down by what, 2 per cent. Is this a disastrous amount?

In 1988, in late July, Bush was down by 17 % to Dukakis. In November Bush won by 8 percent. A swing of 25 %. The early polls are not always off by this but they sometimes are.

To allow me to work with whole numbers, I will say Bush was down by 16 % and won by 8 %.

Here is what i do NOT believe happened. 58 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 42 % supported Bush. And zero percent were undecided. Then just over one fifth of the Dukakis supporters changed their minds, 12 % of the 58 %. Making the final tally 46 % to 54 %.

Here is what I DO believe happened. 29 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 21 % Bush, 50 % undecided. The press did not include the undecided but just gave the percentages of the decided, 58 % for Dukakis and 42 % for Bush. Then, of the 50 % undecided, a disproportionate percentage, about two thirds, decided to with Bush, adding this 33 % to Bush while only adding 17 % to Dukakis.

Neither scenario I listed is totally accurate. I think there were a few voters that changed their minds. But scenario 2 is a lot more accurate than scenario 1, where everyone had there minds made up in July but a lot of them changed their minds.

You see, the thing is, there are two types of voters.

1. Those who are following the election for many months and have pretty much made up their minds.

2. Those who don't start paying attention until a month or two before the election and make up their minds late.

This happens in every election. These two groups of people are a different breed of cat. The second group does not necessarily vote the same way the first group does, in similar percentages.

So why did the Democrats panic in 2024, being down only 2 % while the Republicans did not in 1988, being down 17 %? Because Dukakis was not a threat to Democracy. If he was a Communist, who had previously praised Castro, and had a mob storm the capitol in 1985 in an attempt to make himself president, and they were now down by 17 %, then yes, I think the Republicans would have panicked and convince Bush to step aside. But, since there was no threat to Democracy, they just shrugged and said, what the hell, we will stick with Bush and hope for the best.

Trump being a terrible threat, a clear threat to Democracy, caused Biden to step down. Not because he is too old to serve as President, not because he is too old to run for President, but because Trump is such a huge and obvious threat, he have to get the 'perfect' candidate.

If Harris is up by 10 % by late August, are we out of the woods? Not even remotely. A huge block of voters are undecided. No one knows what they will decide because they haven't decide yet. They still have not given it much thought. We will have a better idea by the end of September.

I must say, the main thrust of Trump's campaign, you can't have a President that is too old, is going to haunt him. Maybe he should have not made this the main thrust of his campaign until after the Democratic convention. But Trump never was too smart.
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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2024, 09:33:57 PM »
You are giving false information. Yes, Biden was talked into dropping out of the race because the poll numbers were not good enough. He was down by what, 2 per cent. Is this a disastrous amount?

In 1988, in late July, Bush was down by 17 % to Dukakis. In November Bush won by 8 percent. A swing of 25 %. The early polls are not always off by this but they sometimes are.

To allow me to work with whole numbers, I will say Bush was down by 16 % and won by 8 %.

Here is what i do NOT believe happened. 58 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 42 % supported Bush. And zero percent were undecided. Then just over one fifth of the Dukakis supporters changed their minds, 12 % of the 58 %. Making the final tally 46 % to 54 %.

Here is what I DO believe happened. 29 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 21 % Bush, 50 % undecided. The press did not include the undecided but just gave the percentages of the decided, 58 % for Dukakis and 42 % for Bush. Then, of the 50 % undecided, a disproportionate percentage, about two thirds, decided to with Bush, adding this 33 % to Bush while only adding 17 % to Dukakis.

Neither scenario I listed is totally accurate. I think there were a few voters that changed their minds. But scenario 2 is a lot more accurate than scenario 1, where everyone had there minds made up in July but a lot of them changed their minds.

You see, the thing is, there are two types of voters.

1. Those who are following the election for many months and have pretty much made up their minds.

2. Those who don't start paying attention until a month or two before the election and make up their minds late.

This happens in every election. These two groups of people are a different breed of cat. The second group does not necessarily vote the same way the first group does, in similar percentages.

So why did the Democrats panic in 2024, being down only 2 % while the Republicans did not in 1988, being down 17 %? Because Dukakis was not a threat to Democracy. If he was a Communist, who had previously praised Castro, and had a mob storm the capitol in 1985 in an attempt to make himself president, and they were now down by 17 %, then yes, I think the Republicans would have panicked and convince Bush to step aside. But, since there was no threat to Democracy, they just shrugged and said, what the hell, we will stick with Bush and hope for the best.

Trump being a terrible threat, a clear threat to Democracy, caused Biden to step down. Not because he is too old to serve as President, not because he is too old to run for President, but because Trump is such a huge and obvious threat, he have to get the 'perfect' candidate.

If Harris is up by 10 % by late August, are we out of the woods? Not even remotely. A huge block of voters are undecided. No one knows what they will decide because they haven't decide yet. They still have not given it much thought. We will have a better idea by the end of September.

I must say, the main thrust of Trump's campaign, you can't have a President that is too old, is going to haunt him. Maybe he should have not made this the main thrust of his campaign until after the Democratic convention. But Trump never was too smart.

I gave "false information" but then you agree with me that Old Joe was forced to drop out due to poor poll numbers?  I agree that the race was still close with Biden.  Take it up with Nancy, Obama, and Schumer who staged a coup to cut the money off and force Biden out of the race.  Trump is a genius compared to Kamala but almost anyone is considering that she is perhaps the single dumbest politician in the history of American politics.  If the election is decided on results and competency, Trump wins in a landslide.  If it is decided on ideology and propaganda including conspiracy theories like Trump will "end democracy" (whatever that is supposed to mean), then Kamala will be coronated as our Queen.


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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2024, 01:45:09 PM »
How desperate are the Dems?  They are rolling out the lie that Trump or the 2025 Project will cut Social Security.  This is a demonstrable lie as confirmed even by leftist CNN, but it keeps getting repeated by Cacklin' Kamala and her propaganda machine.

CNN:

One of Harris’ claims about Project 2025 is false, while another is at least misleading. The Project 2025 document does not show that Trump intends to cut Social Security; the document barely discusses Social Security at all and does not propose cutsto the program. In addition, contrary to Harris’ suggestion, Project 2025 does not call to “end” the Affordable Care Act or eliminate its protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2024, 10:25:40 PM »
The political news gets bleaker and bleaker for the failed leftist politicians.  Old Joe is gone due to his horrible poll numbers.  Even in Canada, the leftist Trudeau is sinking like the Titanic.  Maybe results still matter to some folks.  This sounds familiar:


Politico:
If you think Biden has troubles, just look at Trudeau

OTTAWA — Justin Trudeau is running out of time.

He has trailed in polls by double digits for nearly a year, and the outlook for the once popular prime minister is so grim that some old guard Liberals have been grumbling that maybe he should just step down and give someone else a shot.

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2024, 04:06:25 AM »
If Trump does not drop Flipper Vance, and do so soon, it will be a big mistake.

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2024, 01:53:08 PM »
Old Joe is on his way out the door.   Is he spending his final days in office addressing record inflation created by his disastrous spending?  No.  Is he addressing record crime resulting from soft on crime policies?  No.  Is he working to close the border after Cacklin' Kamala failed miserably in her only task?  No.  He is trying to reform the Supreme Court because the Dems don't like any check on their power.  Old Joe, a career politician with 50 plus years in office, is ironically suggesting term limits for Supreme Court justices.   You can't make that hypocrisy up.  Old Joe and his crime family acquired millions in corruption over his lifetime but he wants to force out law abiding members of the government.   Imagine if Trump had proposed "reforming" the Court for his own political purposes.  The leftist media would be proclaiming him a dictator.  But nary a peep for Old Joe's power play. 

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