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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2024, 04:04:37 PM »
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Yee, I'm sure Cacklin' Kamala and her team had nothing to do with the "memes."  The young people just love her.  Perhaps they are looking forward to going to the moon as she creepily told a bunch of child actors.

Some long-forgotten promotional event. As least, she didn't separate thousands of innocent children from their mothers and guardians. Trump portrayed migrants as "animals" and leprosy drug mules.

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The memes just miraculously started showing up on the front page of the NY Times, Wash. Post, MSNBC and every leftist media outlet on the same day.  Similar to how all these same outlets use the same phrases and buzz words.  Just a coincidence.  LOL.

The young ones started making new Kamala memes after the debate. Some can make them in a few hours; are you that out of touch with the 40-million Gen-Zs eligible to vote this year? If you and your GOP youth-under-estimaters are, good.

You think some meme program (with a limited reach) was orchestrated by a group of media people to sway votes from people who don't look at them? That Trump supporters are so smart they "decoded" the operation because similar language was used? Wow. Right out of the JFKA critic playbook. You should see what Tucker Carlson is going on with CT-wise.

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Our media works hand in hand with the Dems.   They are given talking points and buzz words to disseminate.  It is straight out of the USSR.  The hilarious thing about this is that it is the same gameplan they used to claim that there was nothing wrong with Old Joe.  Don't believe your own eyes.  Behing closed doors he is the sharpest guy in the world.

You been following the news on CNN and MSNBC since the debate? Of course not. For two years now, there was concern in reports about Biden running.

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Then suddenly he is gone without explanation.

You been living under a rock for the last two years?

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Nothing to see there.  On to the next big lie.

Why is the media not focusing on Trump's cognitive decline? Trump made Biden's age a core issue. Trump challenged Joe to a cognitive test; will he take one with Harris? Will Trump get a cold or claim exhaustion a few days before the debate and take a pass.

I like the way George Conway explained it. In 2016, Hillary became the issue. In 2020, Trump the incumbent was the issue. In 2024, Biden's age was the issue. Now, Trump is again the issue, helped along by Trump's narcissism. The 2022 "Red Tide" elections showed what happened when Trump was trying to be influential; the GOP narrowly won the House, but had a net lost of one Senate seat and failed to flip a single state legislature. The Democrats flipped the state legislatures in the swing states of Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

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Re: So long Joe!
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2024, 08:13:04 PM »
Some long-forgotten promotional event. As least, she didn't separate thousands of innocent children from their mothers and guardians. Trump portrayed migrants as "animals" and leprosy drug mules.

The young ones started making new Kamala memes after the debate. Some can make them in a few hours; are you that out of touch with the 40-million Gen-Zs eligible to vote this year? If you and your GOP youth-under-estimaters are, good.

You think some meme program (with a limited reach) was orchestrated by a group of media people to sway votes from people who don't look at them? That Trump supporters are so smart they "decoded" the operation because similar language was used? Wow. Right out of the JFKA critic playbook. You should see what Tucker Carlson is going on with CT-wise.

You been following the news on CNN and MSNBC since the debate? Of course not. For two years now, there was concern in reports about Biden running.

You been living under a rock for the last two years?

Why is the media not focusing on Trump's cognitive decline? Trump made Biden's age a core issue. Trump challenged Joe to a cognitive test; will he take one with Harris? Will Trump get a cold or claim exhaustion a few days before the debate and take a pass.

I like the way George Conway explained it. In 2016, Hillary became the issue. In 2020, Trump the incumbent was the issue. In 2024, Biden's age was the issue. Now, Trump is again the issue, helped along by Trump's narcissism. The 2022 "Red Tide" elections showed what happened when Trump was trying to be influential; the GOP narrowly won the House, but had a net lost of one Senate seat and failed to flip a single state legislature. The Democrats flipped the state legislatures in the swing states of Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

That's music to my ears.  Exactly the mindset for a Trump landslide.  Doubling down on the same lies and misinformation that ended Old Joe's administration that didn't fool anyone.  Hopefully all Dems think that way.  Biden's age was never the issue.  It was his impaired cognitive functioning which Cacklin' Kamala was complicit in covering up for years with lies.  What I heard endlessly from MSNBC, CNN, Cacklin' Kamala was that behind closed doors Old Joe was the sharpest guy in the room.  Just a few weeks ago, they were telling us not to believe our own eyes when Biden was roaming aimlessly in a fugue-like state.  It was all a DEEP FAKE.  LOL. Remember that?  It was only a month or so ago they were explaining that it was just another right-wing conspiracy theory.  Old Joe was hunky dory!  Even today, no one will explain WHY he is dropping out of the race.  Just a couple weeks ago, he said that he would drop out only if God told him.  I guess he learned that the political establishment and big money donors are his deity.   In America, we are not like the serfs in Canada subservient to ruling autocrats who coronate kings and queens to govern us.   We usually have elections.  The establishment didn't like the outcome this year, so they staged an insurrection and disenfranchised millions of voters. 


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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2024, 04:37:46 PM »
The walls are already starting to crumble on Cacklin' Kamala.  She is denying that Old Joe ever put her in charge of the border.  Of course, he did so in front of the cameras but never let it be said that the Dems won't argue that you shouldn't believe your own eyes.  Remember that they told us Old Joe was fine.  Your eyes were deceived by DEEP FAKES.  Commie-la now suddenly has amnesia on her role at the border. Just another right-wing conspiracy.

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2024, 07:27:57 PM »
The walls are already starting to crumble on Cacklin' Kamala.  She is denying that Old Joe ever put her in charge of the border.  Of course, he did so in front of the cameras but never let it be said that the Dems won't argue that you shouldn't believe your own eyes.  Remember that they told us Old Joe was fine.  Your eyes were deceived by DEEP FAKES.  Commie-la now suddenly has amnesia on her role at the border. Just another right-wing conspiracy.

Folks should disbelieve your claim.
  • In March 2021, President Joe Biden tasked Vice President Kamala Harris with
    working alongside officials in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to address the
    issues driving people to leave those countries and come to the United States.
  • The Biden-Harris administration said it would focus on five key issues: economic
    insecurity, corruption, human rights, criminal gang violence and gender-based violence.
  • Border security and management is the Homeland Security secretary’s responsibility.
Worth noting that Trump and his knee-benders killed the Senate's immigration bill. Trump also threw cold water on other attempts to address border issues because he needed it for his campaign.
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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2024, 09:51:18 AM »
Barely started her campaign and Harris's numbers are looking pretty good. However they are being held down by the same problem that hurt Biden's poll numbers.

There are those who think that Harris is better than Trump and will vote for Harris if the choice is between Harris and Trump. But, they fear Harris is not the strongest candidate we can field. They think Newson or Sanders or whoever would have a better chance. But there is nothing they can do about, nothing they can do to influence this decision. Unless they get a call from a poll taken. Then they can say they don't know who they will vote for. To maybe, by some miracle, drive Harris's poll numbers down to the point she drops out.

But it is going to be Harris. And once this is formalized by the Democratic convention in August, they will have no more reason to lie and will start telling the pollsters the truth, that they will vote for the Democratic candidate, Harris.

Biden has been a great president and we should have stuck with him. In the last month my admiration for him has grown immensely. I have never felt this way about any other politician. And his unselfishly stepping aside only increases my feelings. But I am confident of victory. And six months from now, when Kamala and Joe are being driven together through the streets of Washington D. C., we will be honoring Harris, but our hearts will be ridin with Biden.
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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2024, 02:23:44 PM »
Barely started her campaign and Harris's numbers are looking pretty good. However they are being held down by the same problem that hurt Biden's poll numbers.

There are those who think that Harris is better than Trump and will vote for Harris if the choice is between Harris and Trump. But, they fear Harris is not the strongest candidate we can field. They think Newson or Sanders or whoever would have a better chance. But there is nothing they can do about, nothing they can do to influence this decision. Unless they get a call from a poll taken. Then they can say they don't know who they will vote for. To maybe, by some miracle, drive Harris's poll numbers down to the point she drops out.

But it is going to be Harris. And once this is formalized by the Democratic convention in August, they will have no more reason to lie and will start telling the pollsters the truth, that they will vote for the Democratic candidate, Harris.

Biden has been a great president and we should have stuck with him. In the last month my admiration for him has grown immensely. I have never felt this way about any other politician. And his unselfishly stepping aside only increases my feelings. But I am confident of victory. And six months from now, when Kamala and Joe are being driven together through the streets of Washington D. C., we will be honoring Harris, but our hearts will be ridin with Biden.

Good grief.  That is some type of alternative reality.  Biden didn't step aside.  There was a coup.  Old Joe's poll numbers were so disastrous that the Dem establishment knew he couldn't win.  He still held on until they turned off the money and forced him out.  They made him a Godfather-like offer that he couldn't refuse.  The Dems set up Biden to drop out by scheduling the debate so early.  Biden had shown the same signs of cognitive decline for years that were on display at the debate.  The media and Dem establishment protected him and denied there was any issue until that point.  After the debate, however, they immediately turned on him.  It has all the hallmarks of a set up. 

Cackllin' Kamala is dumb as a rock.  She did not receive a single vote in any presidential primary.  If Old Joe was considered one of the worst presidents in history according to the polls, she will be much, much worse.  I do agree, however, that it will be a close election.  Even Old Joe was in a deadheat before he was forced out.  Cacklin' Kamala is a terrible candidate.  Once the honeymoon is over after the upcoming convention her typical gaffes will deflate her chances.  Remember when she told us that "AI" was two words?  Or that Ukraine was a country in "Europe" and Russia was a bigger country?  LOL.  My favorite though was the creepy ad she filmed with child actors to tell them they were going to the moon.   Those poor kids will never get that imagine of her out of their heads. 

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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2024, 05:25:43 PM »
Good grief.  That is some type of alternative reality.  Biden didn't step aside.  There was a coup.  Old Joe's poll numbers were so disastrous that the Dem establishment knew he couldn't win.  He still held on until they turned off the money and forced him out.  They made him a Godfather-like offer that he couldn't refuse.  The Dems set up Biden to drop out by scheduling the debate so early.  Biden had shown the same signs of cognitive decline for years that were on display at the debate.  The media and Dem establishment protected him and denied there was any issue until that point.  After the debate, however, they immediately turned on him.  It has all the hallmarks of a set up. 

Cackllin' Kamala is dumb as a rock.  She did not receive a single vote in any presidential primary.  If Old Joe was considered one of the worst presidents in history according to the polls, she will be much, much worse.  I do agree, however, that it will be a close election.  Even Old Joe was in a deadheat before he was forced out.  Cacklin' Kamala is a terrible candidate.  Once the honeymoon is over after the upcoming convention her typical gaffes will deflate her chances.  Remember when she told us that "AI" was two words?  Or that Ukraine was a country in "Europe" and Russia was a bigger country?  LOL.  My favorite though was the creepy ad she filmed with child actors to tell them they were going to the moon.   Those poor kids will never get that imagine of her out of their heads.

You are giving false information. Yes, Biden was talked into dropping out of the race because the poll numbers were not good enough. He was down by what, 2 per cent. Is this a disastrous amount?

In 1988, in late July, Bush was down by 17 % to Dukakis. In November Bush won by 8 percent. A swing of 25 %. The early polls are not always off by this but they sometimes are.

To allow me to work with whole numbers, I will say Bush was down by 16 % and won by 8 %.

Here is what i do NOT believe happened. 58 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 42 % supported Bush. And zero percent were undecided. Then just over one fifth of the Dukakis supporters changed their minds, 12 % of the 58 %. Making the final tally 46 % to 54 %.

Here is what I DO believe happened. 29 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 21 % Bush, 50 % undecided. The press did not include the undecided but just gave the percentages of the decided, 58 % for Dukakis and 42 % for Bush. Then, of the 50 % undecided, a disproportionate percentage, about two thirds, decided to with Bush, adding this 33 % to Bush while only adding 17 % to Dukakis.

Neither scenario I listed is totally accurate. I think there were a few voters that changed their minds. But scenario 2 is a lot more accurate than scenario 1, where everyone had there minds made up in July but a lot of them changed their minds.

You see, the thing is, there are two types of voters.

1. Those who are following the election for many months and have pretty much made up their minds.

2. Those who don't start paying attention until a month or two before the election and make up their minds late.

This happens in every election. These two groups of people are a different breed of cat. The second group does not necessarily vote the same way the first group does, in similar percentages.

So why did the Democrats panic in 2024, being down only 2 % while the Republicans did not in 1988, being down 17 %? Because Dukakis was not a threat to Democracy. If he was a Communist, who had previously praised Castro, and had a mob storm the capitol in 1985 in an attempt to make himself president, and they were now down by 17 %, then yes, I think the Republicans would have panicked and convince Bush to step aside. But, since there was no threat to Democracy, they just shrugged and said, what the hell, we will stick with Bush and hope for the best.

Trump being a terrible threat, a clear threat to Democracy, caused Biden to step down. Not because he is too old to serve as President, not because he is too old to run for President, but because Trump is such a huge and obvious threat, he have to get the 'perfect' candidate.

If Harris is up by 10 % by late August, are we out of the woods? Not even remotely. A huge block of voters are undecided. No one knows what they will decide because they haven't decide yet. They still have not given it much thought. We will have a better idea by the end of September.

I must say, the main thrust of Trump's campaign, you can't have a President that is too old, is going to haunt him. Maybe he should have not made this the main thrust of his campaign until after the Democratic convention. But Trump never was too smart.
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Re: So long Joe!
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2024, 09:33:57 PM »
You are giving false information. Yes, Biden was talked into dropping out of the race because the poll numbers were not good enough. He was down by what, 2 per cent. Is this a disastrous amount?

In 1988, in late July, Bush was down by 17 % to Dukakis. In November Bush won by 8 percent. A swing of 25 %. The early polls are not always off by this but they sometimes are.

To allow me to work with whole numbers, I will say Bush was down by 16 % and won by 8 %.

Here is what i do NOT believe happened. 58 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 42 % supported Bush. And zero percent were undecided. Then just over one fifth of the Dukakis supporters changed their minds, 12 % of the 58 %. Making the final tally 46 % to 54 %.

Here is what I DO believe happened. 29 % of the voters supported Dukakis, 21 % Bush, 50 % undecided. The press did not include the undecided but just gave the percentages of the decided, 58 % for Dukakis and 42 % for Bush. Then, of the 50 % undecided, a disproportionate percentage, about two thirds, decided to with Bush, adding this 33 % to Bush while only adding 17 % to Dukakis.

Neither scenario I listed is totally accurate. I think there were a few voters that changed their minds. But scenario 2 is a lot more accurate than scenario 1, where everyone had there minds made up in July but a lot of them changed their minds.

You see, the thing is, there are two types of voters.

1. Those who are following the election for many months and have pretty much made up their minds.

2. Those who don't start paying attention until a month or two before the election and make up their minds late.

This happens in every election. These two groups of people are a different breed of cat. The second group does not necessarily vote the same way the first group does, in similar percentages.

So why did the Democrats panic in 2024, being down only 2 % while the Republicans did not in 1988, being down 17 %? Because Dukakis was not a threat to Democracy. If he was a Communist, who had previously praised Castro, and had a mob storm the capitol in 1985 in an attempt to make himself president, and they were now down by 17 %, then yes, I think the Republicans would have panicked and convince Bush to step aside. But, since there was no threat to Democracy, they just shrugged and said, what the hell, we will stick with Bush and hope for the best.

Trump being a terrible threat, a clear threat to Democracy, caused Biden to step down. Not because he is too old to serve as President, not because he is too old to run for President, but because Trump is such a huge and obvious threat, he have to get the 'perfect' candidate.

If Harris is up by 10 % by late August, are we out of the woods? Not even remotely. A huge block of voters are undecided. No one knows what they will decide because they haven't decide yet. They still have not given it much thought. We will have a better idea by the end of September.

I must say, the main thrust of Trump's campaign, you can't have a President that is too old, is going to haunt him. Maybe he should have not made this the main thrust of his campaign until after the Democratic convention. But Trump never was too smart.

I gave "false information" but then you agree with me that Old Joe was forced to drop out due to poor poll numbers?  I agree that the race was still close with Biden.  Take it up with Nancy, Obama, and Schumer who staged a coup to cut the money off and force Biden out of the race.  Trump is a genius compared to Kamala but almost anyone is considering that she is perhaps the single dumbest politician in the history of American politics.  If the election is decided on results and competency, Trump wins in a landslide.  If it is decided on ideology and propaganda including conspiracy theories like Trump will "end democracy" (whatever that is supposed to mean), then Kamala will be coronated as our Queen.


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