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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Amazing Survival of Trump
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2024, 05:52:19 PM »
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Good observation.

If Trump is just raising his right hand as the second bullet arrives (00:90), then it's not going to coincide with the bullet streak picture. The right hand is not at chest level for another 00.15 sec. Did the NYT impose sound lag onto their animation; that would help explain it. Back to the drawing board.


I think that there are a few variables that would need to be considered to be able to synchronize the sound exactly. But Mills’ bullet streak photo is a very exact reference point to start from. The distances involved from the muzzle to Trump and to the microphone location. Analyze the sound signature to try to separate the muzzle blast from the sonic boom of the bullet itself. Trump’s hand appears to be at about the level of his mouth when the bullet streak is seen in the photo. The sound of the muzzle blast would be slightly delayed due to the distance. But the sonic boom should be closer to the time of the bullet streak photo.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2024, 05:57:29 PM »




Let's consider a different scenario. The rifle bullet struck an object. It produced a spray of fragments that continued downrange which slightly wounded five men. Trump and the four officers standing near him.

Trump's head was not turn just so. The right side of his head was exposed. A fragment struck his ear. And would have continued on to strike his skull, likely killing him, had it been a rifle bullet. But being a fragment, it just gave a minor wound to the ear and was deflected away from the head. Resulting in Trump having a minor wound, just like the four other officers.




I haven't seen anything about "four other officers" being hit by fragments.  Where does this come from?

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2024, 09:03:11 PM »
I haven't seen anything about "four other officers" being hit by fragments.  Where does this come from?
It's in the story below: "Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.
The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets. Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby."

And Trump's doctor, Ronny Jackson, said his nephew, who was in the crowd, was grazed in the neck by an unknown object.

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-apparent-shots-fired-223759785.html
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Re: The Amazing Survival of Trump
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2024, 10:33:16 PM »


The sonic booms arriving at the same moment as the bullets (yellow arrows)? A smaller set of three spikes identical in separation (white arrows) follow the three larger spikes. The smaller spikes are probably the report of each muzzle blast, just not recorded as loud as the sonic booms?

So virtually no time lag necessary if we use where the Times placed the bullets in their animation? The sonic boom set-of-spikes coincides with the arrival of each bullet?

Mi no comprende. What say you?


If the recording microphone is on the podium right in front of Trump, then this makes sense to me. The small distance from the bullets to the microphone would make any time delay be so small that it would be virtually negligible. And it makes sense to me that the microphone location would be on the podium.

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Re: The Amazing Survival of Trump
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2024, 08:25:23 AM »
I haven't seen anything about "four other officers" being hit by fragments.  Where does this come from?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-apparent-shots-fired-223759785.html

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11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

They were treated at the scene. They were okay to escort Trump back to the airport in Pittsburgh last night after he was treated at Butler Memorial Hospital.



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A report from local TV station WPXI at 4:50 PM Sunday said this (emphasis added) …

11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2024, 08:40:39 AM »
Let me list two groups of gunshot victims:

Group A:

President Kennedy
Governor Connally
Tromas Crooks
Corey Comperatore
Butler PA 57 year old anonymous man, initially in critical condition, now released
Butler PA 74 year old anonymous man, initially in critical condition, now released

Group B:

James Tague
Donald Trump
4 police officers standing near Trump

What does the Group A people have in common? All were seriously wounded or killed. What does the Group B people have in common? All suffered only minor injuries.

What else do the people in Group A people have in common? They were hit by a one or two rifle bullets. What else do the people in Group B have in common? They were hit by fragments.

If a person is seriously injured or killed, it should not be assumed that they were hit by a fragment. Unless the evidence is overwhelming. Otherwise, the default belief should be that they were struck by a bullet.

If a person has minor gunshot injuries, it should not be assumed that they were hit by a bullet. Unless the evidence is overwhelming. Otherwise, the default belief should be that they were struck by a fragment.

Now, why is it we should assume that Trump was w by a bullet. But the four officers standing near him were hit by fragments?
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2024, 05:30:52 PM »
That's it?  A single early report.  I've seen nothing to confirm that four officers were injured by fragments.

And I have seen nothing to confirm that the four officers were not slightly injured by fragments.

Clearly, the media is biased in some way. Either they are biased against Trump, and so they do not follow up on this report because they know it would show that no one else was slightly injured, only Trump, strengthening the case that Trump may have been hit by a bullet. Or, they are biased for Trump, and so they ignore these early reports because they known any digging will confirm the minor wounds of the four officers, strengthening the case that they all were slightly wounded by fragments. In any case, the media is falling down on the job by not digging into this to report that this early report was false or confirmed.

Why would the media be biased in favor of Trump? Because they want a horse race. They anticipate that Trump will falter in the polls. Meaning they have to help Trump as much as they can now. Like by concentrating on Biden's age issues while ignoring Trump's.

I don't know what the truth is, but a lot points to Trump being wounded by a fragment.

* Trump was slightly wounded, which is more typical of wounds from fragments, not by rifle bullets.

* Reports of four others standing near Trump being slightly wounded as well.

* Trump not allowing the release of the medical reports on the treatment of his ear that evening. That is super suspicious. The strongest argument against the wound being caused by a bullet. If it was caused by a bullet, Trump would do whatever it took to show this to the public.

* Easier to capture an image of a slower moving fragment than a fast moving bullet, because the timing has to be so much more precise for a fast moving bullet.

* The unlikely location of a grazing wound.

Not all grazing wounds are equally probable. It is possible that one could be grazed along three inches of the inner upper arm, and three inches of the torso, caused by a bullet that passes just under the armpit. Possible, but it would require the person's torso to be pointed in a certain direction, with the arm slightly away from the body held just right. A grazing wound along the top of the shoulder or outer side of the arm is more probable.

Similarly a grazing wound of the ear, without also striking the skull, requires the head to be pointed in a certain direction, or it just can't work. But a fragment can do that because it is much more easily deflected than a bullet.

In any case, I don't think this is a slam dunk that this wound was caused by a rifle bullet.
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Re: The Amazing Survival of Trump
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