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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2024, 06:05:57 PM »
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ECM was right about prosecutors being effective debaters. I think some effort should be taken by the Democratic party to encourage prosecutors to go into politics, the House, the Senate, run for Governor so that in twenty years, we have a crop of possible Presidential candidates who are former prosecutors.

When was the last time America had a presidential candidate who was so good at debating? Abraham Lincoln? Although, even there, Lincoln was best at preparing a speech and was relatively weak at responding to unexpected questions. And it is ironic, that in that era, presidential candidates did not debate, causing one of his strong points to be wasted. The Lincoln / Douglass debates occurred while they were running for the Senate in 1858, not for the presidency in 1860.

Dewey might have been quite good, but irrelevant since in 1944 and 1948, presidential candidates still did not debate each other. It was still considered 'Unpresidential'.

Another point. In the first Kennedy Lincoln debate, one reason Kennedy did better is he wore a suit that contrasted with the background. Nixon wore a grey suit that blended in with the background, at least on black and white TV, which the vast majority of TVs were. Last night, Trump worn a blue suit that blended in with the background while Harris black suit contrasted quite well with the background. A minor advantage.

Also, I think sitting on the right side, the stronger side in movies and TV gave a better advantage over having the last word, which Trump chose to do.

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Finally, a word about President Biden. Yes, he did do the right thing in stepping down. But he was wise enough to do so after the Republican convention, making the attacks against Biden during the Republican convention a waste of time. Even more importantly, he threw all his support behind Harris. People forget but there was a lot of calls to not only have Biden step down but to have Harris bypassed as well. This would have been a disaster. It also helped that all the possible candidates, like Newsom and a host of others, put aside their ambitions and threw their support behind Harris. That is amazing and was critical for Harris to get the nomination effortless without Democrats shooting each other down.

In June of 2024, Joseph Biden was not the candidate we needed. But he was the president we needed. We are damm lucky to have had such a great president during this critical time. He didn't pick a running mate in 2020 from a swing state but the candidate he felt was best as a possible future president. He somehow got the country to recover from the mess Trump left us in, in time for the next election. He had the judgement to step down and the judgement to throw all his weight behind Harris, when others thought he should do differently. Not so sharp on stage anymore, and never was, but with a Lincoln like judgment on Presidential decisions, even into his eighties.

Harris is like a rising rocket right now. Biden is like the first stage of the Saturn V rocket which never gets to reach orbit and will fall back to Earth but which enables other parts of the rocket to go into orbit and later reach the moon.

Otto von Bismarck once said, "there is providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, and the United States of America". I am not a religious man but it is amazing that when America gets into really bad trouble, and really bad trouble always comes from within, America is always able to find a Lincoln, or a Biden, or a Harris, to bail us out. I am still an agnostic but I am an agnostic who wonders.
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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2024, 06:39:53 PM »
ECM was right about prosecutors being effective debaters. I think some effort should be taken by the Democratic party to encourage prosecutors to go into politics, the House, the Senate, run for Governor so that in twenty years, we have a crop of possible Presidential candidates who are former prosecutors.

When was the last time America had a presidential candidate who was so good at debating? Abraham Lincoln? Although, even there, Lincoln was best at preparing a speech and was relatively weak at responding to unexpected questions. And it is ironic, that in that era, presidential candidates did not debate, causing one of his strong points to be wasted. The Lincoln / Douglass debates occurred while they were running for the Senate in 1858, not for the presidency in 1860.

Dewey might have been quite good, but irrelevant since in 1944 and 1948, presidential candidates still did not debate each other. It was still considered 'Unpresidential'.

Another point. In the first Kennedy Lincoln debate, one reason Kennedy did better is he wore a suit that contrasted with the background. Nixon wore a grey suit that blended in with the background, at least on black and white TV, which the vast majority of TVs were. Last night, Trump worn a blue suit that blended in with the background while Harris black suit contrasted quite well with the background. A minor advantage.

Also, I think sitting on the right side, the stronger side in movies and TV gave a better advantage over having the last word, which Trump chose to do.

 * * * * *

Finally, a word about President Biden. Yes, he did do the right thing in stepping down. But he was wise enough to do so after the Republican convention, making the attacks against Biden during the Republican convention a waste of time. Even more importantly, he threw all his support behind Harris. People forget but there was a lot of calls to not only have Biden step down but to have Harris bypassed as well. This would have been a disaster. It also helped that all the possible candidates, like Newsom and a host of others, put aside their ambitions and threw their support behind Harris. That is amazing and was critical for Harris to get the nomination effortless without Democrats shooting each other down.

In June of 2024, Joseph Biden was not the candidate we needed. But he was the president we needed. We are damm lucky to have had such a great president during this critical time. He didn't pick a running mate in 2020 from a swing state but the candidate he felt was best as a possible future president. He somehow got the country to recover from the mess Trump left us in, in time for the next election. He had the judgement to step down and the judgement to throw all his weight behind Harris, when others thought he should do differently. Not so sharp on stage anymore, and never was, but with a Lincoln like judgment on Presidential decisions, even into his eighties.

Harris is like a rising rocket right now. Biden is like the first stage of the Saturn V rocket which never gets to reach orbit and will fall back to Earth but which enables other parts of the rocket to go into orbit and later reach the moon.

Otto von Bismarck once said, "there is providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, and the United States of America". I am not a religious man but it is amazing that when America gets into really bad trouble, and really bad trouble always comes from within, America is always able to find a Lincoln, or a Biden, or a Harris, to bail us out. I am still an agnostic but I am an agnostic who wonders.

Comparing Kamala - who has yet to receive a single vote or implement a single policy - to Abraham Lincoln is as delusional as your baseless claim that Trump was not hit by a bullet.  That is far out tin foil hat stuff.  And Biden didn't "step down."  He was forced out in a coup after winning the primaries where 15 million voters elected him as the Dem nominee.  He said that he would drop out only if God almighty told him too.  He was forced out like in a banana republic.  Likely with a promise to pardon his multiple felon son.  The Dems staged an insurrection to remove him from office because they knew that he could not win.  Imagine being such a terrible incumbent president that your own party forces you out of office even after he won the primary.  It's never happened in US history.  He is the worst president in modern US history.  Arguably ever.  No one even knows where he is at.  A complete non-factor.

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2024, 07:02:03 PM »
  Joe Biden did Not "Step Down". He was "Gilligan'd" to the beach. Coupled with Harris being MIA for 5 days doing Debate Prep, Trump last night brought up,"Who is running this country?". This same Joe 6 Pack question is being asked across the USA on a daily basis.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2024, 08:23:32 PM »
Comparing Kamala - who has yet to receive a single vote or implement a single policy - to Abraham Lincoln is as delusional as your baseless claim that Trump was not hit by a bullet.  That is far out tin foil hat stuff. 
Ok. So complete this sentence for us:
Trump comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln during the debate with Biden is as delusional as:________________________.  This is:_______________

Here is my suggestion:
 as delusional as: RFK Jr. thinking he should stuff a dead bear in his trunk so he can take it home for supper before taking it into Manhattan and disposing of it in Central Park to make it look like the bear was killed by a cyclist....
This is: stuff that someone with a half eaten brain might come up with but not a candidate for President.

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2024, 09:39:53 PM »
Ok. So complete this sentence for us:
Trump comparing himself to Abraham Lincoln during the debate with Biden is as delusional as:________________________.  This is:_______________

Here is my suggestion:
 as delusional as: RFK Jr. thinking he should stuff a dead bear in his trunk so he can take it home for supper before taking it into Manhattan and disposing of it in Central Park to make it look like the bear was killed by a cyclist....
This is: stuff that someone with a half eaten brain might come up with but not a candidate for President.

I don't think Trump compares to Abraham Lincoln but he is certainly a lot closer having actually won an election and implemented several successful policy objectives as President than Kacklin' Kamala who has done absolutely nothing except contribute to the failures of the Biden administration.  The obsession with Trump is laughable, however.  If he invented a cure for cancer, the Trump haters would tell us he had selfishly ignored the overpopulation implications and was contributing to global warming.

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Re: Joe Biden's Legacy
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2024, 04:16:23 PM »
The obsession with Trump is laughable, however.  If he invented a cure for cancer, the Trump haters would tell us he had selfishly ignored the overpopulation implications and was contributing to global warming.
Just because Trump adherents hate those who are opposed to Trump doesn't mean that those who oppose Trump hate him.  Hate is an irrational emotion. People oppose Trump for rational, carefully considered reasons.  One can intensely dislike a person for very good reasons without hating them.  Besides, if Trump invented a cure for cancer he wouldn't be the self-obsessed, insecure, egotistical narcissist that he is now.

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2024, 01:52:53 AM »

  As usual. Resort to the Personal Attack and run away from addressing The Issue(s). There's no defending the "Border Czar" welcoming 10+ Million Illegal Aliens inside the USA on the taxpayer's dime.

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2024, 01:59:27 PM »
  As usual. Resort to the Personal Attack and run away from addressing The Issue(s). There's no defending the "Border Czar" welcoming 10+ Million Illegal Aliens inside the USA on the taxpayer's dime.

The ten million is just the official number of encounters.  No one knows the real number including those who simply walk or were smuggled across and disappeared without encountering the border patrol.  It could be 20 million.  Nothing better demonstrates the complicity of the media than their quibbling over whether Kacklin' Kamala was the "Border Czar."  The title doesn't matter.  She was put in charge of the border however that job is characterized.  The media, however, is running cover for her and tries to obscure that fact with pedantic nitpicking over something that doesn't matter.
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